to beat a civic
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From: Ennis/Arlington Texas
That is a turbo b18b2. A friend of mine had a similar car with a t3/t4 turbo. His car made ~250whp @ 10psi creeping to 12. The car was about even with a stock 2004 Cobra, little slower. So figure it can run a high 12 @ 12psi.
That turbo is way out of its efficiency range on a stock b18. See the size of the compressor housing?? Bet that thing surges like a ************. Take solace in knowing he is a moron.
That turbo is way out of its efficiency range on a stock b18. See the size of the compressor housing?? Bet that thing surges like a ************. Take solace in knowing he is a moron.
Last edited by Starfox07; Dec 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM.
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From: Chino Hills, CA
Honestly, why would you let him set conditions? He's the one shooting off his mouth. He should spot you choice of conditions.
But then, I still don't get why you'd listen to him in the first place.
The Ceaseless Discharge
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From: Metairie, LA
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I doubt that he is running a stock ECU. He probably has a modified Hondata ECU.. You can't run boost on a unmodified stock ECU.[/QUOTE]
That isn't true at all.
I doubt that he is running a stock ECU. He probably has a modified Hondata ECU.. You can't run boost on a unmodified stock ECU.[/QUOTE]
That isn't true at all.
Last edited by linchpin360; Dec 17, 2008 at 07:42 PM.
Well sure you can run boost on a stock NA ECU but the motor won't last the first redline pull. As far as a turbo goes, look into BNR Hybrid turbo's. Also give Robert at Rotary Shack a yell, he will definitely help you with carb sizing/turbo sizing
10 lb pulley and a 100 shot on a port/polished 13b and ran low 12's in the 1/4 mile on race fuel. He bought a turbo swap and sold me the supercharger. Needless to say I didn't want the supercharger after I drove his turbo'd 7. I would go turbo cause there is a night and day difference between the two.
[QUOTE=scott_06;8807325]Hondas suck..All they do is burn oil...O wait.. rx-7's too..Duh.. lol
Coming from the honda world I'd have to disagree. A friend of mine has a built JDM Interga Type R swap (all motor) in a 92 hatch that runs 12's in the 1/4. Show me a built non turbo RX7 running the same times. I also have another friend that used to own a built sohc 1.6L turbo'd civic running low 13's.
Coming from the honda world I'd have to disagree. A friend of mine has a built JDM Interga Type R swap (all motor) in a 92 hatch that runs 12's in the 1/4. Show me a built non turbo RX7 running the same times. I also have another friend that used to own a built sohc 1.6L turbo'd civic running low 13's.
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From: Beavercreek Ohio
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Aw im not saying they are slow. Most my friends own hondas. I just like to crack on them. They b18c type r motor is nice, but its not as fast as I thought it be though. My buddy had a DC teg with that swap and it was no faster than my ecotec cavy I had. (both cars had only had bolt ons) But man, that teg would go up to 10k RPM lol.
Hondas suck..All they do is burn oil...O wait.. rx-7's too..Duh.. lol
Coming from the honda world I'd have to disagree. A friend of mine has a built JDM Interga Type R swap (all motor) in a 92 hatch that runs 12's in the 1/4. Show me a built non turbo RX7 running the same times. I also have another friend that used to own a built sohc 1.6L turbo'd civic running low 13's.
Coming from the honda world I'd have to disagree. A friend of mine has a built JDM Interga Type R swap (all motor) in a 92 hatch that runs 12's in the 1/4. Show me a built non turbo RX7 running the same times. I also have another friend that used to own a built sohc 1.6L turbo'd civic running low 13's.
hence why i said i got the car for 150 bucks. but the engine turns over fine. he only parked it because the starter went out and he didnt wanna mess with it anymore. it was an older gentleman. but that is why i was going to rebuild the engine. so i was wondering if i should port it while i have it apart or just dont worry about it and get a 13b anyways.
yeah i was going to get with robert about a manifold and all that jazz. i just figured i would figure out what turbo i want to get before i bother him with questions. i will look into those turbos and thanks for all your help.
The Ceaseless Discharge
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From: Metairie, LA
Wrong again. You don't know too much about turbo honda's do you?
search threads by FB II .......
To do this the most cost effective way, do the following, IMO that is:
A 12a turbo'd with a s4 or s5 turbo will be more than capable of running fast enough for your needs, IMO. If not, it is upgradable by BNR super cars for future purposes. Run a blow through setup on the stock NIKKI carb, have it boost prepped by Robert at Rotary shack-
If you are still able, and he still makes them, get a tubular manifold off of Renee at RX3mist. Tell him you want a tubular manifold with an S4 turbo flange
(or S5 if you want to run an S5 turbo.)
Port the wastegate on whichever turbo you go with in order to prevent boost creep.
Get a wideband oxygen sensor in order to monitor A/F ratios, and to assist in carb. tuning. Get a boost gauge, and then whatever other gauges you feel necessary to monitor other parameters.
Run a full, custom made 3" exhaust, down pipe and all.
Block off plate, and prepe the intake manifold, mild port work even. Have the carb boost prepped by Robert at Rotary Shack, run his carb hat.
Get an ebay FMIC, run the lines, get a BOV.
Run a Innovative EFI fuel pump, increase the diameter of your fuel supply and return lines. Get a rising rate FPR to compensate for boost under load.
Other considerations would be a clutch, and FC oil cooler conversion. You can skimp here and there, and do not even need to intercool it at first if you do not want.
I'm sure I have missed some things, and others can add their input. However, this would give you a more than adaquare setup IMO.
To do this the most cost effective way, do the following, IMO that is:
A 12a turbo'd with a s4 or s5 turbo will be more than capable of running fast enough for your needs, IMO. If not, it is upgradable by BNR super cars for future purposes. Run a blow through setup on the stock NIKKI carb, have it boost prepped by Robert at Rotary shack-
If you are still able, and he still makes them, get a tubular manifold off of Renee at RX3mist. Tell him you want a tubular manifold with an S4 turbo flange
(or S5 if you want to run an S5 turbo.)
Port the wastegate on whichever turbo you go with in order to prevent boost creep.
Get a wideband oxygen sensor in order to monitor A/F ratios, and to assist in carb. tuning. Get a boost gauge, and then whatever other gauges you feel necessary to monitor other parameters.
Run a full, custom made 3" exhaust, down pipe and all.
Block off plate, and prepe the intake manifold, mild port work even. Have the carb boost prepped by Robert at Rotary Shack, run his carb hat.
Get an ebay FMIC, run the lines, get a BOV.
Run a Innovative EFI fuel pump, increase the diameter of your fuel supply and return lines. Get a rising rate FPR to compensate for boost under load.
Other considerations would be a clutch, and FC oil cooler conversion. You can skimp here and there, and do not even need to intercool it at first if you do not want.
I'm sure I have missed some things, and others can add their input. However, this would give you a more than adaquare setup IMO.
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I'm just saying if you don't know what you're talking about don't say anything. A stock honda block will hold 12psi all day without any problems at all. The stock ecu will have no problems under boost. especially if you change the injectors to stock dsm 450's. You may need however a rising rate FPR.
I'm just saying if you don't know what you're talking about don't say anything. A stock honda block will hold 12psi all day without any problems at all. The stock ecu will have no problems under boost. especially if you change the injectors to stock dsm 450's. You may need however a rising rate FPR.
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LOL hahahahaha ..... thats funny stuff, but I do agree with you on the stock ECU part though. I did some googlin and read that those stock block can hold up to 15 psi .... but without proper tuning ..... they go BOOM !!!! quick
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LOL hahahahaha ..... thats funny stuff, but I do agree with you on the stock ECU part though. I did some googlin and read that those stock block can hold up to 15 psi .... but without proper tuning ..... they go BOOM !!!! quick
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LOL hahahahaha ..... thats funny stuff, but I do agree with you on the stock ECU part though. I did some googlin and read that those stock block can hold up to 15 psi .... but without proper tuning ..... they go BOOM !!!! quick
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LOL hahahahaha ..... thats funny stuff, but I do agree with you on the stock ECU part though. I did some googlin and read that those stock block can hold up to 15 psi .... but without proper tuning ..... they go BOOM !!!! quick
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I don't give a **** what the block will hold, a stock Honda ECU(Yes I said factory, OEM, NOT HONDATA TUNED) CANNOT support boost. It CANNOT control LARGER injectors than it was designed to control and it WILL NOT take in the proper amount of airflow thru the mass air flow sensor sensor because it is designed to only intake a certain amount and that's it. Unless you have proof of this, you are now designated as a TROLL. Please leave now. Thank you
And yes it will handle dsm 450s. thats the most common honda upgrade.
Last edited by linchpin360; Dec 20, 2008 at 10:17 AM.
The Ceaseless Discharge
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wow so lets not get all hateful who cares what a honda can do. if you wanna talk about it go to a honda forum. this thread is about what a first gen needs to be able to beat a boosted honda. i could give a **** less what kinda ecu or upgrades he has.
