(COOlING) Electric Fans
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(COOlING) Electric Fans
I decided agains welding my old clucht fan to be on 100% of the time some my last choice is to get an electric fan.
I know the black magic fan and the permacool ones kick *** but are awfully expensive. What would be a good value fan the victoria british one. What are other places that sell cheap fans.
Canadian tire has em but theyr to small, prolly made for a 4banger
I know the black magic fan and the permacool ones kick *** but are awfully expensive. What would be a good value fan the victoria british one. What are other places that sell cheap fans.
Canadian tire has em but theyr to small, prolly made for a 4banger
can someone give me a rundown of what is involved in installing an electric fan? i'm interested in trying it out, but i wanna get a good idea of how it's gonna go before i even try.
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I put in a permacool...costs about $100 bucks. I also bought the electric thermostat but dont bother. I ended turning it all the way low. Just get the 170 degree switch and a manual switch.
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I got a eletric fan from a friends MR2 and it was a duel fan it work perfect. Installed a 20 amp. fuse and a manuel switch hooked into fuse holder. I can turn it on when the key it on acc.
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EZ. It depends how you want to do it. I looked into using the AC switch (since i tore it all out...any offers?) but the HVAC fan has to be on to use it. I looked in to using the cruise control button (tore it out too) and a relay, but broke it taking it apart.
I wanted to use the fan with the ignition off, so i just wired it directly to the battery with 20A fuse and put a lighted switch in a switch blank by the choke. DOn't bother with a t-stat..unless you have a really bad memory. They are junk and usually leak.
I used a Taurus fan. Just take the stock fan off, spacer, and shroud. The Taurus shroud fits the stock rad. perfect. I just cut two slits in the Taurus shroud to fit the two protrustions are for teh stock shroud and slipped in in tightly. Drilled two holes on the other side of the rad. housing and put two sheetmetal screws in. Oh, the rad. needs to be removed to do this. The Taurus fan gets close to the main pully. It clears, but i removed the outer pulley (smog pump) anyhow since i didn't need it.
I don't have the beast on the street yet, but I had it idleing for over 20 mins tuning the carb. The fan would take it from halfway up the temp. gage to almost the hash mark above C in no time.
I wanted to use the fan with the ignition off, so i just wired it directly to the battery with 20A fuse and put a lighted switch in a switch blank by the choke. DOn't bother with a t-stat..unless you have a really bad memory. They are junk and usually leak.
I used a Taurus fan. Just take the stock fan off, spacer, and shroud. The Taurus shroud fits the stock rad. perfect. I just cut two slits in the Taurus shroud to fit the two protrustions are for teh stock shroud and slipped in in tightly. Drilled two holes on the other side of the rad. housing and put two sheetmetal screws in. Oh, the rad. needs to be removed to do this. The Taurus fan gets close to the main pully. It clears, but i removed the outer pulley (smog pump) anyhow since i didn't need it.
I don't have the beast on the street yet, but I had it idleing for over 20 mins tuning the carb. The fan would take it from halfway up the temp. gage to almost the hash mark above C in no time.
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i have the black magic fan. its a really eazy mod, get the little zip tie thinngys that you put through the rad. that and 4 wires, 2 power, 1 ground 1 a/c and blam your done. i love mine
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hey phoenix do you have any idea on how much CFM that taurus puts out.
im prolly going to the same thing as you did(i dont understand why you cant hook iy up to the A/C button) My A/C is gone too. I have cruise control and i never used it since i got the car(dont even know if it works) so i cant hook it up to that.
sounds awfully complicated
im prolly going to the same thing as you did(i dont understand why you cant hook iy up to the A/C button) My A/C is gone too. I have cruise control and i never used it since i got the car(dont even know if it works) so i cant hook it up to that.
I used a Taurus fan. Just take the stock fan off, spacer, and shroud. The Taurus shroud fits the stock rad. perfect. I just cut two slits in the Taurus shroud to fit the two protrustions are for teh stock shroud and slipped in in tightly. Drilled two holes on the other side of the rad. housing and put two sheetmetal screws in. Oh, the rad. needs to be removed to do this. The Taurus fan gets close to the main pully. It clears, but i removed the outer pulley (smog pump) anyhow since i didn't need it.
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Originally posted by pheonix
I wanted to use the fan with the ignition off, so i just wired it directly to the battery with 20A fuse and put a lighted switch in a switch blank by the choke. DOn't bother with a t-stat..unless you have a really bad memory. They are junk and usually leak.
I used a Taurus fan. Just take the stock fan off, spacer, and shroud. The Taurus shroud fits the stock rad. perfect. I just cut two slits in the Taurus shroud to fit the two protrustions are for
I wanted to use the fan with the ignition off, so i just wired it directly to the battery with 20A fuse and put a lighted switch in a switch blank by the choke. DOn't bother with a t-stat..unless you have a really bad memory. They are junk and usually leak.
I used a Taurus fan. Just take the stock fan off, spacer, and shroud. The Taurus shroud fits the stock rad. perfect. I just cut two slits in the Taurus shroud to fit the two protrustions are for
Also, I'm pretty lazy, so I will probably end up using a t-stat or something similar
Thanks
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sounds awfully complicated
i dont understand why you cant hook iy up to the A/C button
The cruise button should be fairly easy to do, if you are patient enough to take it apart w/o breaking it and wire it up to a relay.
do you have any idea on how much CFM that taurus puts out
I never tried a t-stat, but 2 friends had aftermarket ones from Summit and had nothing but problems with them.
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I think there is an issue of which people should be aware before they order up an e-fan....
Remember that the earlier 12A cars (up to 83?) have a smaller 2-row radiator, to accommodate the air-to-air oil cooler. The later cars have the larger 3-row rad and the small oil cooler mounted under the oil filter. I know nothing about the SE's, but am assuming they too have the larger rad.
I think people should mention which year of car (and thus which rad) they have when discussing which fans will fit.
If you have one of the earlier cars, the Black Magic shroud is far too large to fit within the rad. I was not too pleased when I found this out, but I solved this problem by cutting the foam/rubber seal on the shroud where the rad meets the oil cooler. The fan shroud thus overlaps both the rad and oil cooler. I also had to cut the beefy steel brackets supplied with the fan in order for them to fit.
I don't know if this is the ideal cooling setup, but it worked well for me during the very hot summer we had in Toronto this year. I don't think any electric fan will cool as well as the stock fan, if you do a lot of slow stop-and-go driving. The electric switch / thermostat in the fan takes a little while to react, so depending on how you have the **** set, the fan is either a little slow to react to high temps, or it is on all the time.
The really nice feature of the Black Magic is that it comes with the adjustable temperature switch built-in and all the wires/connectors you need to install. Once you have it bolted in, the wiring is easy.
I really wouldn't contemplate this mod unless your fan clutch is dying; the power gains in first/second gear are noticeable, but not really worth the cost unless you have to replace the clutch anyways.
For you guys in the GTA, Schilling Performance in Cambridge (near Kitchener-Waterloo) is a great place to order a Black Magic. They got me an excellent deal, about a hundred bucks cheaper than anywhere else.
Remember that the earlier 12A cars (up to 83?) have a smaller 2-row radiator, to accommodate the air-to-air oil cooler. The later cars have the larger 3-row rad and the small oil cooler mounted under the oil filter. I know nothing about the SE's, but am assuming they too have the larger rad.
I think people should mention which year of car (and thus which rad) they have when discussing which fans will fit.
If you have one of the earlier cars, the Black Magic shroud is far too large to fit within the rad. I was not too pleased when I found this out, but I solved this problem by cutting the foam/rubber seal on the shroud where the rad meets the oil cooler. The fan shroud thus overlaps both the rad and oil cooler. I also had to cut the beefy steel brackets supplied with the fan in order for them to fit.
I don't know if this is the ideal cooling setup, but it worked well for me during the very hot summer we had in Toronto this year. I don't think any electric fan will cool as well as the stock fan, if you do a lot of slow stop-and-go driving. The electric switch / thermostat in the fan takes a little while to react, so depending on how you have the **** set, the fan is either a little slow to react to high temps, or it is on all the time.
The really nice feature of the Black Magic is that it comes with the adjustable temperature switch built-in and all the wires/connectors you need to install. Once you have it bolted in, the wiring is easy.
I really wouldn't contemplate this mod unless your fan clutch is dying; the power gains in first/second gear are noticeable, but not really worth the cost unless you have to replace the clutch anyways.
For you guys in the GTA, Schilling Performance in Cambridge (near Kitchener-Waterloo) is a great place to order a Black Magic. They got me an excellent deal, about a hundred bucks cheaper than anywhere else.
Last edited by SilverRocket; Sep 6, 2001 at 12:16 PM.
