SonicRaT

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Alright, first a little background as to what's going on. As most of you know, I've been quite blindly beating the snot out of my '87 Sport with a stock 6port block and a bnr stage 3 strapped to the side. The results were quite impressive, but the overall hackjob style of it all really started to bother me. So, I began to make a new setup which doesn't involve hacking the hell out of tII intakes, or using a spacer, and I am quite happy with my new result. As usual, my new project sparked just as much interest as the first, but this time people were wanting to buy the kit to do so, so after much thought and negotiating and haggling with various vendors, I have decided to sell a kit which will allow us 6port guys to bolt up whatever turbo we so desire without the mess of a hackjob install.

Currently I am gauging interests in what people would consider for a price range, what parts they would like be provided, and various other concerns.

The options I have come up with are as follows:

A complete kit, including oil/coolant lines, FMIC with piping, BOV, fuel pump, injectors, FPR, 2.5" (or 3" for a little more" downpipe), all vacuum lines, couplers/etc required. The only thing required by whomever wanted this kit would be they provide their own turbo. There are a couple of reasons for this, I can't really get ahold of stock turbo's for very cheap that are in new quality, and I can't very well go testing every used turbo I buy, so I would simply leave this task up to whomever so desired. This allows people to chose a turbo based upon their goals, the stock turbo would roughly be good for about 260rwhp in this setup. Ballpark price range of $2-2.5k

A partial kit, driven by a website where a user selects which options they want, base options are all coolant/oil lines, fuel pump, FPR, vacuum lines & fittings, intake & filter, or intake that goes to the stock air-box. Options would be injector sizes, downpipe sizing, BOV's, SAFC's, and you can see where this is going. Anyway, for this, my base price range would be roughly around $1.5k

I currently am NOT selling this. I have made everything required for it, and can duplicate it at will if there is interest, but your feedback before I decide to dive off the edge and sink money into this idea is greatly needed. ANY feedback is suggested.

To solve some issues. The stock N/A ecu does NOT need to be replaced for my complete kit, it will run at a limited ammount of boost and will be fine for the levels that it will produce. For those people who wish to go beyond the aim of my 'recommended' for most people, I would highly suggest either swapping over to a TII ECU/AFM/pressure sensor (and knock box/sensor) if you're aiming for the 250 mark, although it is not required. Those of you putting on hybrids or full turbo kits, well, you obviously know what you're going to be getting into so a standalone should be already on your list.

The high compression detonation arguement. Yes, I am well aware of the risks, and once again, I can assure you that at my 'recommended' running, this will not be a significant problem.

And please, spare me the 'sell it and buy a TII arguement', this is not the place for it.

staticguitar313

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I'd be pretty interested, i was planning on doing a 6-port turbo on my block since its a reman with low miles, aq web based kit order would be awesome, i'm curious though, whats the deal with the manifolds? How do you make it all work without using the tii manifolds or n/a?

NorCal90

This seems like an awesome idea for us NA guys who want to go turbo with their 6-port blocks. I can't really afford something like this though, I'm 18 and work less than 20 hours a week but if I could, I would defently buy it. One question though, what is the partial kit lacking that the complete kit has? Also, would the web-site driven option have a choice of turbos or is that up to the buyer, like the compete kit?

SonicRaT

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I'll be using custom made manifolds (no, not hackjobs, they're going to be professionally done), which will tuck the intake in closer to the block avoiding the clearance issues posed with the stock N/A intakes.

Tessai

I'd be willing to go the partial route, with a website that would allow me to add/remove parts if I had already gotten them elsewhere.

I don't see an SAFCII or other fuel management, would this be included as well?

Edit: You say you can already get these parts at will, can I PM you a list of things I need and you can get me a price? I've got roughly half of what I need so far, but I would really like to get my hands on the stuff for the oil/coolant for the turbo.

SonicRaT

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That's fine, the more feedback the better.

The partial kit wouldn't have a FMIC, injectors, fuel pump, downpipe, or an TID, bov, etc. Basically it's just the manifolds & misc parts required to convert over to these manifolds, requiring the user to supply most everything else, (or simply select if they wish to have them in the kit using the menus) I could possibly supply various turbos, but chances are I'd just sell BNR hybrids, maybe a couple of full turbo kits, or I guess I could take the time to buy up stock turbos and rebuild them, though that's really not my area.

SonicRaT

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I could very well offer an SAFC or similar, but I don't think I can get them much cheaper than the next guy, so I don't really list it. If it's easier for people to have all in one spot, then I could do so.

ddub

Yay for James

Oh and the fuel controller thing (like SAFC), I don't really see it necessary for him to provide anything like that as lots of people already have something they use, plus some people prefer other controllers over an SAFC. So while you will have to get one and tune it somehow, it should be up to the buyer to get the one he/she wants, just my .02 on that part.

As for the rest of it, I've been talking to James (sonicrat) about this on AIM for the past couple days and you guys should not think for a second any of this is going to be a hackjob, he's got some awesome ideas and plans. It's going to be pretty damn secksi.

JRS

Im really interested in a partial kit, I would just want to source the fuel injectors and management myself. Would you just make the intake manifolds and exhaust manifold and the oil lines as a kit?

SonicRaT

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I don't have to make the exhaust manifold. You use the stock one. Yes, that's basically what the partial kit will be. Coolant lines/intake manifolds/vacuum lines/fpr/etc.

JRS

so I would just have to find the stock TII turbo manifold?

SonicRaT

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Well... what I'm saying is you'd supply whatever turbo you wanted, along with exhaust manifold. You could use the stock turbo/exhaust manifold, or an HKS log with a T04E if you wanted.

JRS

alright sounds good, how much are you wanting for that type of kit with just the intake manifolds and oil lines?

Alright I just tryed to search for the HKS manifold and its not on their site, does anyone know where I can find one?

88rxn/a

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so will the n/a drive train hold up to the 250 mark? im very intersted though money is an issue right now but if all goes well i think this would be a great investment in the near future. what about the location of oil lines? do you use the oil cooler to tap into or somethin?

SonicRaT

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I'm not sure, that's what I'm looking for feedback on. I listed a 'base' price for the partial kit, but I realize I should allow a little bit more selection. I'll drop the fuel pump, and keep the manifolds/oil/coolant/vacuum/intake/etc.