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Old Mar 29, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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Unhappy Gonna race an smg II '03 m3 tonight...any advice?

I don't think i have much of a chance...i do have a dp, cb, intake, and an act clutch...but i dunno if it'll be enough. I'm boosting 10 lbs on a stock ecu

he's just got an smg II m3...what do those things run?

what would be my best chance? off launch? freeway pull? 1st gear roll? i guess it's his 333 hp against my 300 or so (maybe, just a guesstimate)
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you seriously think i have a chance?? i'v eheard those things are geared for the freeway...do you have any suggestions as to what speeds to roll from?
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Good luck is all I have to say.
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how good are you at launching? i would imagine with the smg he won't have problems with launches.
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i'm alright at launching...but i still get massive wheel hope (my cigarette lighter flies into my lap--that's how bad)
Old Mar 29, 2003 | 10:13 PM
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I think those run low 13's.

A guy in my club ran a 13.53 with only a DP. His car is a low milage mint example, but with your mods, *if you can drive* you should atleast keep up.
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I remember about a year or 2 ago reading a post about a FD with just a DP slightly pulling a E46 M3 from a number of rolls. When they started low, the M3 with the torque advantage would pull but the FD would eventually pass him. The SMG will hurt the M3 a little but not much. With equal drivers I think your FD has a slight advantage from a roll - not sure about from a dig - post the results..good luck and be careful
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this chinese kid at my school has one.......

so he wanted to race the "fastest kid in school" so i told him that i only race on the highway.......i pulled on him in 3rd.....and i still am the "fastest kid in school"......but still those cars are very respected

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I believe the smg is the manual/automatic M3, if so it tested about .3-.6 sec. slower than a 6-speed. His advantage is perfect shifts everytime and probably some form of traction control.

I think you'll take him if you can shift good and from what the others say about highway roll you should have him.
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Cool Re: Gonna race an smg II '03 m3 tonight...any advice?

Originally posted by 93TTRX7
I don't think i have much of a chance...i do have a dp, cb, intake, and an act clutch...but i dunno if it'll be enough. I'm boosting 10 lbs on a stock ecu

he's just got an smg II m3...what do those things run?

what would be my best chance? off launch? freeway pull? 1st gear roll? i guess it's his 333 hp against my 300 or so (maybe, just a guesstimate)

10 LBS OF BOOST!!!!! You're only good for mid to low 14's on the 1320 whereas the M3 is capable of doing mid to low 13's. You need to have at least 12 lbs of boost to go against this kind of a motor. The E46's are set up to have power all the way to redline... The 7's rely on boost... in any case it should be fun run... I know 'cause I own a 93' 7 and a 2002 M Coupe.


Good luck anyway.... and whatever happens, don't make excuses.


see ya,

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afterwards you both can talk about how your engines will blow :p
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Re: Re: Gonna race an smg II '03 m3 tonight...any advice?

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10 LBS OF BOOST!!!!! You're only good for mid to low 14's on the 1320 whereas the M3 is capable of doing mid to low 13's. You need to have at least 12 lbs of boost to go against this kind of a motor. The E46's are set up to have power all the way to redline... The 7's rely on boost... in any case it should be fun run... I know 'cause I own a 93' 7 and a 2002 M Coupe.


Good luck anyway.... and whatever happens, don't make excuses.


see ya,

car 53
assuming his car his healthy and he is a good driver why would he be running mid to low 14s when stock the car is rated at 13.5 with most people seeing higher 13s?
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You have no chance.
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Re: Re: Re: Gonna race an smg II '03 m3 tonight...any advice?

Originally posted by ttb
assuming his car his healthy and he is a good driver why would he be running mid to low 14s when stock the car is rated at 13.5 with most people seeing higher 13s?

"ASSUMING" is the key word... and you have to drive the new M3's and M Coupe's to understand what I am talking about....
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He has ~290 rwhp and weighs 3400 lbs..which means you will need about 240rhwp to keep up with him from a roll. With your mods at 10 psi you should be right there...maybe a bit more...so you should be about even with him.
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Why does every wanna be internet engineer/kid think that these cars are slow?

Have any of you other than r_ed_line53, have any real world experience up against the M3?

They are NOT slow cars as you would like to assume they are.
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Originally posted by ttb
afterwards you both can talk about how your engines will blow :p
LOL that is funny. I wonder if BMW fixed the defect. I believe it was with the SMG M3s where they would upshift or overrev and allow the motor to blow up. I've seen videos and heard about them blowing up on the track on a simple upshift.

Our cars blow because um...yeah.. haha

Good luck. BMWs pull pretty well on the freeway period. Whatever you do, don't try to race the M5 hehe. That thing can have an entire family and still smoke most cars out there.

Also, shouldn't this be moved to the kills section?
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dont think anybody said they were slow
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Hey TTT....who said M3s are slow? 93TTRX7, your best chance will be at highway speeds, between 60-100.
Old Mar 30, 2003 | 02:04 AM
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i think it would be pretty close from a roll or a dig and yes i've driven an e46 m3. I suppose i might give the edge to the m3, but it could go either way
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i took one from a 60 punch just last night on the 91. i thought it was goin to be faster but from 65 to 130, it was about 6 or 7 car lengths back when we got done but hey im also driving a supra. but hey man go for it who knows he might miss a gear.

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Old Mar 30, 2003 | 02:49 AM
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Let me tell you from personal experience. I think its possible for you to beat the M3 on a roll and from a stop. It just depends on if your a good driver or not. I personally raced an e46 M3 and beat it by 1 car length from a roll of 40-120 ( same setup as you but also with a MP). I ran my car with your same setup at the drags and ran 13.45 with 18's on(I'm not even that good at dragging). I hear new M3's stock are 13.3 . So from a stop you have to be pretty good at driving to compete with him. Overall, you have a chance and if you lose it shouldn't be by much if your setup is catback, dp, and intake. Good luck.
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i raced a stock m3 from 60 to about 120 he won by only one car or so suprisingly, and all i have is a gutted precat. They are damn nice cars though.



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