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Old 12-26-02, 06:46 PM
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Turbo vs NA vs 1st gen diffs

Hi, my first post in about a million years....

I've got a '90 Turbo rally car, and am chasing a low ratio (numerically higher) diff for it.

I know I can get 4.375 ratios from the states, but by the time I get one here (Australia), the price is horrific. Some searching has shown that it APPEARS that your non-Turbo 2nd Gens have a diff centre that is very similar to the 1st gen style (knowing that the 1st gens are not IRS!).

I happen to own a 1st Gen LSD with a 4.875:1 ratio, which would be perfect... The Australian non-turbo 2nd Gens came with the Turbo brakes and diff, so I can't go and check...

So (finally getting to the point ): Will a 1st Gen centre fit into a 2nd Gen non-turbo alloy diff housing? I'm not concerned about tail-shaft interchangability, but fit into the housing and rear half-shaft fit is important!

Thanks in advance, any help welcomed!
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OK, so I've done a search, and I saw some-one mentioned that Mazdatrix sells a "pinion adaptor" to fit some sort of 'foreign' CW&P into a 88-92 diff housing. I can't find any mention of it on the Mazdatrix website, so I'll have to continue with the dumb questions... (sorry!).

1. Is this to fit the NA or Turbo 86-92 diff?
2. Which CW&P?
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"nudge".

Anyone? Please?

What do people do for a decent diff' ratio for 2nd gen's?

Or are there possible interchanges with commercial CW&P available that anyone can tell us of?
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you can go to http://www.mazdatrix.com/g8.htm
and look at the bottom of the page .there you can see that all the N/A ones from 84(1st gen) through 92 share the same torsen diff.i think that means the same diff center.
as far as the australian N/As came with the turbo's stuff,why don't you just fit the 1st gen's (4.875) ring and pinion to your 2nd gen diff center?
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ok, the way im reading this, is that you want a better gear ratio in the rear(am i wrong?). the accual "diff" unit will interchange but i do beleave the accual "gears" are different, the pinion gear has a longer input shaft on the second gens(i think). now, if you could some how make the whole third member fit into the alloy diff housing, you could do that with a custom lengthened drive shaft, i beleave it may work cause i seem to remember hearning that an mx5 third member would bolt up to a first gen axel housing with minor moddifications.....
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Thanks for your help guys.
OK, so it now appears that the solution is:

1994 MX-5 (Miata) pinion carrier
1994 MX-5 or NA RX-7 housing and stub shafts.
Custom plate to mount short MX-5 carrier into RX-7 body.
4.875:1 CW&P from early car (I have one already!).
Early LSD (have already).
Non-turbo RX-7 half shafts.
Custom tail-shaft.

The big question I now have is how many splines are on the 1800cc MX-5 stub shafts. I'm assuming the answer is "26 spline", seeing as the last 1st gen RX-7s had 26-spline and the NA 2nd Gens have the same LSDs.

Anyone know?
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I think you're best off w/ a pinion extension.
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I agree. But I couldn't find any reference to them anywhere, inc the Mazdatrix site.
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