socalrotor

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pattern - More than 2 complaints involving the same allegations usually within 12 months that are significant in relation to the company's size and volume of business.


need I post more info?!

RotaryEvolution

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those complaint seem minor to me though, to me it just looks like Seth is a procrastinator and never gets back to people. i mean, who blows off the BBB when they start knocking on your door trying to get info?

BoostedRex

As long as it's factual information and not heresay then feel free Socal, you know the rules here.

John Magnuson

I stated that I do not know the details. I am making no judgement one way or another as you are correct that I don't know both sides. Frankly, I'm not really interested in this dispute. I started this thread to inform the RX7 community of the loss.

All I said was that it is pretty low to say you're glad someones business and life's work has burned to the ground and than suggest that they would burn their own customers cars just because you feel they owe you money. To me this shows poor character and needs nothing other than your previous statements to prove it.

BoostedRex

John, you are right. It was terrible to lose all of those cars. I always hate to hear about things like that.

socalrotor

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my question is, how fucked would YOU have to be before you took the time to file a complaint and contact the BBB?! I think the BBB info speaks volumes. I know that if I were getting screwed, the last recourse for me would be A) the BBB and B) a lawyer. If the BBB is knocking, you would think a decent company would want to solve the issues as opposed to ignoring it......or for that matter, ignoring ALL the complaints. :smiley_12

" More than 2 complaints involving the same allegations usually within 12 months that are significant in relation to the company's size and volume of business.


of complaints, failed to honor their commitment to mediate or arbitrate disputes or honor mediated agreements or arbitrated decisions, failed to substantiate, modify or discontinue false advertising claims that are challenged by the BBB, or failed to discontinue unauthorized use of the BBB name and logo, a Federally protected trademark"

So they were using the BBB logo but NOT any of the BBB pratices. The above paragraph is priceless.
I guess "failing to honor their commitments" isnt such a new problem now is it?!

s-thetikz

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i don't know man, socalrotor, you're 26 and the way you're acting is pretty immature. this is all IMO, but the business is down, any extra prodding at them seems absolutely unnecessary. i can't see myself buying any of your products if you're a business owner simply because its not hard to be the better man and keep to thyself when **** goes your way. its like winning and cackling to the loser about it. my deal with this is that regardless of whether or not they were a shady group or otherwise, this was probably work to live off of for a few guys and insurance money only goes so far. now their business has burned to the ground and your business has possibly more clients. i think the focus of this thread is that 16 FD's just went south and we should be in condolence, not pulling **** from the dead.

BoostedRex

There, problem fixed once again. Now let's play nice everybody, I hate to be a dick so don't give me a reason. Thanks in advance.

RotaryEvolution

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when you start dealing with high volumes of customers you start seeing just how diverse some people can be. some people will not even send complaints to you yet take it to a higher authority no matter how minor it may seem to you, some people have a odd sense of ethics. not that i'm defending anyone but sometimes things get lost in shipping or shipping takes longer than expected, from the sound of things Seth ignored the complaints which just makes things look 10 times worse.

pshaw118

I don't think anyone said that they were glad the the fire happened. Boosted7's words were that he doesn't have sympathy for Seth. That's not even in the same ballpark.

BOOSTD 7

Well, there you go putting spin on what I said. My statement was that I have no sympathy ... that's much different than saying I'm glad it happened.

BOOSTD 7

Thanks I hate it when people twist words to try and start drama.

I would never wish ill upon somebody. I've had much worse things done to me by others than Seth, and still would not wish ill upon them. I hope all of you who had a car there have been contacted by Seth or Seth's insurance carrier. This situation would get a whole lot worse if all the owners have to make a comprehensive claim with their own insurance, or worse yet them not having comprehensive insurance at all.

My best hopes go out to all those who had a car damaged in the fire.

pshaw118

please don't ban me for this one.....


does anyone else notice that there was a fire at Seth's place and Ryan's avatar is fuelman? Here's what I think happened (putting all of my law and order watching skills to the test here):

Seth and Ryan were partners at a laboratory where they're making a hair loss drug. Suddenly, there are strange murders! Seth sets up a shop to hide from the murderer, while Ryan starts up a website and changes his legal name to Boostd7. One of the murderers sees the fuelman avatar and sets Seth's place on fire, hoping to blame Boostd7. I didn't see the rest of the episode, so someone else has to finish the story for us.

Anyhow, those lakers are pretty good.

BoostedRex

rx7what

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Lakers suck.

Kings baby. Yeah.
















Ok, Ok, Koby is good, but the rest of them suck.

jetenginedoctor

With all due respect, I think you should also leave your personal feelings out of this, moderator/owner or otherwise. To loosely suggest that Seth might have set fire to his business (and all of his customers cars) is baseless, cowardly horseshit. Do you believe that he's such an evil bastard that he'd do this to both himself, his employees, AND all of these customers who trusted him with their vehicles? Do you realize that most of his present customers are returning PAST customers? If you were a business owner yourself, you'd understand both how seriously improbable that is (Seth doing this to himself) as well as how BAD it makes you look to publicly mutter such a thing. But I do have a valuable piece of advice for you. . . . seek an attorney. Your above statement is defamitory, and might cost you big if Seth's attorney (one of his very satisfied customers, by the way) decides to take it to task.


Sorry for the people who lost their cars, but not the man who lost his livelyhood. Nice. Very nice.

trainwreck517

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Wow this thread turned into a mess,.
Sorry to hear about your Loss bradd15, Meiogirl and anyone else who took a loss with this disaster..

Meiogirl hope you still make it out to mazdafest, even if it is just in your mazda3.

rx7what

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^
Boostd7 sounded about right to me. He doesnt feel sorry for him because he doesnt like him. If I didnt like you and it happend to you I wouldnt feel sorry for you.

Also if some thing is said in jest It is protected by the first amendment. Defamatory doesnt have a "I" in it. Also a defamatory statment in writen form would be libel. And if you knew anything you would know what he said was not libel. Read the sentence after fair comment.


Modern law
English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court for any published statements which defame a named or identifiable individual or individuals in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them.

A statement can include an implication. A large photograph of Tony Blair above a headline saying "Corrupt Politicians" might be held to be an allegation that Tony Blair was personally corrupt.

The allowable defences against libel are:

Justification: the defendant proves that the statement was true. If the defence fails, a court may treat any material produced by the defence to substantiate it, and any ensuing media coverage, as factors aggravating the libel and increasing the damages.

Fair Comment: the defendant shows that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff.

Privilege: the defendant's comments were made in Parliament or under oath in court of law or were an accurate and neutral report of such comments. There is also a defence of 'qualified privilege' under which people, who are not acting out of malice, may claim privilege for fair reporting of allegations which if true were in the public interest to be published. The leading modern English case on qualified privilege in the context of newspaper articles which are claimed to defame a public figure is now Reynolds v. Times Newspapers Ltd and Others, 1999 UKHL 45.
An offer of amends - typically a combination of correction, apology and/or financial compensation - is a barrier to litigation in the courts.


Oh yeah have a nice day.

Fumanchu

This is great. The West Section has been so damn boring lately. I am down for a little fued with the SD girlies.

jetenginedoctor

Pick me apart for a spelling error. OH NOEZ!!!!!!

I'm not an attorney, and unlike some people (cough,) I don't pretend to be one. Still, to suggest that somebody has committed a serious crime based simply on your opinion that they don't conduct their business up to YOUR standards is risky. Maybe I'm partial Seth because he's my friend and one of my favorite customers. But maybe I've got a soul and a God-given sense of what's wrong and right, and see that doing the Macerena around the smoldering ambers of a man's business is NOT ******* cool.

Or maybe it's because my parents weren't related. . . . I dunno?

BK

jetenginedoctor

What the hell does English Law have to do with a man in California suing you all the way back to your old room at Mom and Dad's house?

Just conjecture on my part. . . .

d0 Luck

speaking of SPD turned to puresports, whatever happened to "Chris from SPD"
he used to post here a lot awhile back, but then all of sudden disapperead from thin air.

i too am sorry to hear for all the loses here. best of luck to those in this incident.

JonesMechanical

Hey guys, there is alot of bogus crap on this thread, mostly by the enzo guy. Ive known seth for 15 years, and have done endless projects with him. For the almost the last year he has had no employees and partners because of bad experiences. He is the type of guy to never say no to somone who needs his help. Sometimes me doesn't answer his phone for a week. Can you imagine why he would have over a dozen FD's at his shop at one time? I expected him to have my car for at least 4 months, and I drove 750 miles to drop it off. Now its burned down, including $6000 worth of autronic electronics that were to be installed on my car and along with Seths personal lifetime projects and dozens of others cars like mine. Some priceless. If your a car guy, you know what those projects are. Mine is my first car, a 70 510, just sitting there waiting for me to get to it. If you don't know what personal projects and other possesions Seth lost in that fire, you have don't know him or his bussiness and you really shouldn't even say what you have. Obviously the fact that everyone knows that Seth works by himself, and wont let anyone touch a customers car, and the fact that there were over a dozen FD's there, and he doesn't do any marketing, except through word of mouth and grass roots motorsports SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. He is the man. You have to consider a business gone bad, is often parterships gone bad, or employees gone bad. Thats why for the past while, Seth has been doing everything himself. So please, have some respect before you shoot off. If you don't know, shut the hell up. Its threads like this that turn real enthuiasts off to boards. Enzo man, have you even met the man in person? If you have, you know that even though he is 5'5" and a buck fifty, he would still kick you ***.

jetenginedoctor

Kick his ***, indeed. Pay-Per-View would be on that like ants on a candied dog-turd.

Adam P

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can i call dibbs on a fc pass. fender????is it to late ???