Fu,

To follow up on your comment, when you sign and accept your drivers license, don't you also sign off on what you just described?

Also, what you might be able to do to at least cause pause to the cop's search, ask the officer what exactly IS his probable cause. If you think it's bs, or are concerned that something smells fishy, insist with due respect that the traffic supervisor in charge come out to the stop to supervise before he goes any further. Unless the cop honestly feels he can justify his probable cause as reasonable, he will probably stop there rather than drag his supervisor into the situation. Last thing he wants to deal with is his supervisor pulling him aside and ask him to the effect "I was dragged out here for THIS!?!!?"

 

I agree with ya Fu Fu...... However, getting hit by a drunk driver led me to my 82-GSL..... :0)

 

Do police officers have to ASK for permission to search a car though? Does the driver have the right to say no? If so, what are the ramifications?

 

How old are you, what race are you, and how many tickets do you have?

Those all make a huge difference,

When I was young, (a long time ago lol) and had long hair and a couple tickets under my belt, I'd get continually pulled over and harrassed for nothing, other than that they ran my plates and figured they could bully me, now in my mid thirties and no tickets, not only do I not get pulled over for BS, but it seems they even cut me a little slack,

profiling is a bitch....

 

and FU, I know that all you need is probable cause for a search, but you better have a legitimate 'probable cause', or be pretty sure your gonna find something, because if you dont and your probable cause is illegitimate, you could get yourself in a little trouble with the courts and your department, atleast that is my understanding. Of course this is dependent on an innocent pursuing it in court, hiring a proffessional attorney etc, which is not likely, so in practice, cops usually get away with whatever they want, but run into the wrong guy who knows his rights, and his dad happens to be an attorney, watch out....

 

I'm 18, white, have long hair, and my 7 is lowered and red.

--Alex

 

Im glad I have Johnny Cochran and his race card on my side...

 

i'm short and balding lot's of freckles with a black eye,........................those ******* still search me and the car!

 

[QUOTE=Fumanchu]Not true. You do not need a warrant to search a car legally. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy if you are driving around in your car. All the officer needs to do is to articulate enough probable cause that he MIGHT find something.


To ad on...

Chimel v. California - Officers can only search the person and the area under that person's "immediate control."

 

I imagine most courts would rule that the "trunk" of an RX7 would still be considered the passenger compartment because it is not totally blocked off. In any case Ryan, what you are talking about is a search incident to arrest. If the officer or deputy has the probable cause to believe that there is something in the car illegal, he can search anywhere that it might possibly fit.

 

you= cop magnet.

 

Yep.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmC5wHfCdM

 

Excellent Video. Required viewing by anyone that drives a car at the least. Certainly puts the probably cause debate in good light.

 

Probable Cause: Defined as the cop witness's some evidence to believe there is criminal activity going on. A HUNCH is not good enough, but can be something as simple as tinted front door windows or anything hanging from your rear view mirror.

Plain View Rule: Related, before any searching of your car, the cop has to SEE something that suggests criminal activity. Moral, keep your private things PRIVATE!!

Three most valuable sentences to remember:

Officer, I do not consent to any searches.
- Might not stop them, but lays foundation for your lawyer to block any evidence.

Officer, am I free to go?
- Excuse yourself rather than wait to be excuse. The longer the conversation, the more opportunity to mess up.

Officer, I have nothing to say without my lawyer.
- Not much explaination required.

Another good rule is to answer traffic cop's questions with questions. That approach worked well for the 40 year old Virgin, and it works well at traffic stops. Don't consent to anything or admit to anything. You simply do not have a clue on why the cop might have pulled you over and anything he suggests is surprising to you. Period!!

Also, see:

www.flexyourrights.org

And

www.aclu.org

 

Especially, when you're carrying...


or even a...

 

I grew up in So Cal. I'm not saying that he didn't get stopped. And he got stopped because he was driving around in circles at Midnight and the Police saw him several times. Anyone that is driving around a neighborhood at Midnight and go past police multiple times can expect to be stopped. It looks alittle suspicious to be doing that during the Wee hour.

What i have trouble believeing is the dialogue he has down from the conversation.

 

I've been there before but at least you got to drive away with your car, after the cops searched my car gave me breathe test, then destroyed my car they took off laughing while me and my body spent another two hours trying to get the car started.Sometimes i wish they would have just given me a big ticket then f******G up the car still bugs me till this day.

 

buddy sorry mis spell in there

 

I have no problem with the cops that enforce the law by the book because your truly endangering yourself or someone else... it's the **** tard cops that have something to prove.

sad thing is... most cops are just idiots... reno 911 sums it up pretty good

 

ouch. fumanchu got

 

if im correct, fu is lapd, so they do what they want, i know, i used to live in watts. other than that, **** the police

 

From some of Fu's posts, I don't think he is LAPD. But, that may indeed be on is radar screen.

 

prop 215, get your script and your are legal they cant take away your meds

 

In a scumhole like LA they should be able to!

As welll on another note, **** THE ACLU!