Please Update Regarding Seven Stock?
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there's nothing wrong with throwing in suggestions.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
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Its all talk and no walk but it is what it is, when the concern is more about who will volunteer to orchestrate the cars at 6am, and make sure that no cars leave the show area before 2pm...
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Maybe were just not suggesting our thoughts and opinions to the right people, and this thread and our opinions are nothing more then just words being thrown into cyber space.
And if it did come to having no Seven Stock then that would be a plus, it would give Mazda and all the volunteers time to get there heads together and come up with a better venue, and game plan
there's nothing wrong with throwing in suggestions.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
That's because everybody loves the way things are, and don't want things to change, but yet mumble BS under there mouths because they all want to be loved by everybody else, and don't want to be seen as the person speaking his/her mind on the net.
I complain right now that i have to drive 2.5 hours to this show. When i went to SS 8 and 9 i was like okay I saw the same thing twice, do i really want to come back again for this? and I didn't...I came back the year before because I towed my car, and still wasn't impressed, and I came back last year to spectate, because I got free ride, but wasn't there for no more than 1.5hrs lol
People just don't want to look like the bad guy, Sucks for the guys who drive 7-50hrs for the same event with no added change to the event. But what can you do Karack. No body wants to be looked at as the bad guy for speaking there mind.
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I is true, I've only been to SS 3 times, but it does get rather old, if we cold tail gate I wouldn't mind spending 5-6 hours there, also an ATM on location would help with better sales, it sucks that you have to walk 10 mins to the mall across the way if you forget cash. The R/C cars are cool, but seriously it like a completely different group of ppl, if they were rotary then it would different story.
Mazda spits all this game about them not wanting the rotary engine to die and all this other crap but they don't put effort in to SS.
and what's with the ton of cops, last year a dude wasn't even out of the parking lot and got pulled over, seriously??
Mazda spits all this game about them not wanting the rotary engine to die and all this other crap but they don't put effort in to SS.
and what's with the ton of cops, last year a dude wasn't even out of the parking lot and got pulled over, seriously??
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JCCS may or may not have the beer garden and all the other things we as SS goer's would like to see at a local car show/meet but yet there attendance records every year are huge even with an entry fee. Flyers, TV commercials, newspapers, a majority of the car magz he/she see on the shelves (super-street, modified etc...) ***** out JCCS events and many others like them months in advance.
On whoring and pimping out the event... without an entry fee or any real fee generation, beyond t-shirt sales and raffle tckets, which we use to fund the organization of the next year's event, how would you propose we pay for all of this advertising? And why would we do so, if SS has also broken attendance records the last few years, and this is with a TINY FRACTION of the JCCS enthusiast base? And truly how many true rotary enthusiast around the USA do not know of SevenStock? All but the newest of RX-8s owners are plugged into SS, so we have no issues or concerns there.
We could certainly open SS up to the other Mazda piston enthusiast and get 1000 cars on the ground, especially if we open it up to the Miata/MX5 folks, which has been pushed the last few years, but then would it be SevenStock? Should SevenStock be ALL MAZDA, not just Rotary?
It always seems like seven stock, people on the committee got one lame excuse after another. Bern you do an awesome job congratulation and my hat is off to you, but damn dude you know as well as "Mazda" and whoever else involved meaning the higher ups, not the volunteers need to start stepping up SS's game. Instead of adding to the event, you guys are taking things away from the event. And that is the truth. Maybe our opinions, and suggestions, are getting to the wrong people in the chain of command?.
Thank you, and I am cool with this, and again, I would love to encourage you to get some of your friends and other people together and put your vision to reality. You have some really good ideas. I, and I'm sure a lot of folks here, will be there to participate. I mean this with all the best intentions and respect. It's just a matter of doing it!
On a whole different issue or change of subject hopefully this topic is not super secretive, FBI classified, homeland security status, but whats the deal with the parking arrangement? You guys throwing all the old schoolers in the back by the dumpsters, and porta potty this year again? That was such a huge disrespect to the old school cars, and a slap in the face man, I was really looking forward to walking through the main entrance "the drive way" to see history "The Old Schooler's" then so on and so forth.
-Bern
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Like mentioned before, if the event was held at a local drag strip, meaning seven stock, drag racing, dyno contest beer garden, and everything else, including bikini shows, dj's, live music, in a one day event this would triple the numbers, because everything is held in one location, and it is an all day one time event.
Yes I know, and everybody else knows that insurance is key AND it cost money, and it is a must, but an event of this magnitude needs to happen.
Charge and entry fee, i don't mind paying, I would rather pay for a good show then $5 dollars for a burger and $1 for a 16oz can of soda, and not get a good show to go along with it.
Drag vs Drift racing event with Seven Stock happening at the same time at the Fontana Drag Strip would be huge, and if advertisement is placed and or done correctly for the public to know about the 1/4 strip drag race event would be a huge success, it has been done before and the turn out was specular....
Yes I know, and everybody else knows that insurance is key AND it cost money, and it is a must, but an event of this magnitude needs to happen.
Charge and entry fee, i don't mind paying, I would rather pay for a good show then $5 dollars for a burger and $1 for a 16oz can of soda, and not get a good show to go along with it.
Drag vs Drift racing event with Seven Stock happening at the same time at the Fontana Drag Strip would be huge, and if advertisement is placed and or done correctly for the public to know about the 1/4 strip drag race event would be a huge success, it has been done before and the turn out was specular....
Again, this would be an all RE event, so it could be SS or something like it. If not, it is just another import drag race event, no? As you state this has to happen... so there must be folks out there willing to put up the $$ to do it!
I don't remember another all RE drag/drift event like this in So-Cal before, but I will take your word for it. Maybe you can contact those folks and see if they are willing to do it again... I want to go this time around.
Personally I think more time and effort has to be put into advertisement, as i stated in my earlier post. That right there will bring in the crowds, not just forums, and word of mouth advertisement which by the way is okay. But really going all out on the whole advertisement thing could use improvement.
Maybe start investing in a quality staff that could help in this area which would include promotional advertisement, knowing the best ways to reach the public that would, could, and will generate not only a growth in attendance but also revenue, Focus in this area of the un-tapped sources and unused options there are will make a huge difference.
Just look what happened with our SS-13 t-shirt re-order program. We took orders via this and other forums, and expedited all of the orders, so folks could have their shirts ASAP, and 50% of the people backed out of paying. And this was just for a t-shirt. And you want us to "invest".... BTW there are still t-shirts FOR SALE, check the SS forum if interested.
I just don't think a lot of effort is putting into this because well lets face it, there getting a "late" jump on the event again as mentioned above, like last year because this is being ran by "volunteers" months before the event takes place like it was mentioned last year "again".
Mazda Has money we all know it, and them to not expand there options to generate a larger crowd, generate some flow of income not only for Seven Stock, but for the Mazda Corporation, does not seem very beneficial in terms of gaining public interest on there side. With different events that could possibly be going on at Seven Stock event in one day, it is kind of hard for me to believe that they wouldn't want to expand there interest to reach out to even a larger population whom do not have any idea that this event even takes place year after year.
Thumbs up tho
Thumbs up tho
Also to Mazda the realities of risk management and civil-suit exposure completely outweigh any marketing or public benefits they would have from sponsoring a small niche grassroots motorsport activity, where they would be the big fish in the pond waiting to get hooked into litigation. This is a reality in the corporate world now a days, unfortunate but true!
If this were strictly a business decision, I think Mazda's money would be better served in other areas. And this is something we (SS) have deal with and justify to them every year. So it's not just of matter of asking them for $$ and they give it us because we are good guys.
If it were just as you elequantly state in your case above, there are very smart people at Mazda who would be sponsoring events like you speak of every month.
-Bern
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there's nothing wrong with throwing in suggestions.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
not like i have seen anyone request it be moved at all, just more things added back on although it sounds like mazda has castrated almost everything from the "roots" of the event and made it almost too commercialized. ruling out anything as far as tailgating, i'm surprised their lawyers haven't previously seen someone going over 5mph in the parking lot and had a fit and threatened to cut all insurance for the event.
i haven't seen a single person complain about having to drive the 7-50 hours to the event so far.
And on moving the event to here or there... there have been 100s of request to that effect. Even here, Teddy has a suggestion to move the event to a local drag strip or track. Some have asked in other forums and sites for Cali-Speedway, others Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, and yet others to whole other states... Las Vegas, or Arizona. Again this is all good and we consider the all the input, but a lot cannot be realized by us under the present circumstances.
Thank you for the input!!
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If one has something to constructive to contribute, please feel free to PM me, and we will discuss participation. But understand that volunteering at a greater level will require some time and commitment, beyond just input.
the 2pm issue has been addressed above!
-Bern
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So for whoever is doing an event this or next year, I would like to see it hosted at a track-venue with drag, drift, auto-x, and a large track day. Please make sure you have all of the cool Japanese vendors there, Amemiya, Knight Sport, FEED, etc... and all of the awesome Mazda factory and vendor race-cars (787B & 4-rotors please) doing track demos! That is all I ask for... this would be awesone!
I complain right now that i have to drive 2.5 hours to this show. When i went to SS 8 and 9 i was like okay I saw the same thing twice, do i really want to come back again for this? and I didn't...I came back the year before because I towed my car, and still wasn't impressed, and I came back last year to spectate, because I got free ride, but wasn't there for no more than 1.5hrs lol
This is not about bad or good guys at all... it is about what you make of it. Listen, we appreciate all of the folks who drive many many hours to attend SS, an why try to do our best to put on a good show. This is the true spirit of the event. I have some big events that are 15 minutes from me, but I do not attend, because there is nothing there for me, but many other folks enjoy it. I guess I vote with my attendance or lack thereof.
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I is true, I've only been to SS 3 times, but it does get rather old, if we cold tail gate I wouldn't mind spending 5-6 hours there, also an ATM on location would help with better sales, it sucks that you have to walk 10 mins to the mall across the way if you forget cash. The R/C cars are cool, but seriously it like a completely different group of ppl, if they were rotary then it would different story.
Mazda spits all this game about them not wanting the rotary engine to die and all this other crap but they don't put effort in to SS.
and what's with the ton of cops, last year a dude wasn't even out of the parking lot and got pulled over, seriously??
Mazda spits all this game about them not wanting the rotary engine to die and all this other crap but they don't put effort in to SS.
and what's with the ton of cops, last year a dude wasn't even out of the parking lot and got pulled over, seriously??
-Bern
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Speaking for myself driving the 275 miles or so (lord knows there are guys that travel a hell of a lot further) or the hotel room at like 85 a night and our guys show up a day or two early. To add expenses for the out of towners starts to make it cost prohibitive. Also we'd need to take into consideration if those same out of towners particularly those that drove in would want a track day as there is of course risk of damage to their vehicles a long way from home. We have not seen any issues with Sevenstock and the way the show is put on. I've said this in another post but anyone could arrange something to do something that weekend leading up to or after the actual event. With the size of Sevenstock to expect the organizers to do it may frankly be what is unfair. Granted thank god we have our freedom of speech but if Sevenstock was change too much it wouldn't be Sevenstock. I mean really if other events offer other things then perhaps that is a good reason to attend both or more over the course of the year. I for one would think cookie cutter events would get boring real fast as each would benefit from it's own personality and individual dynmaics.
Of course just my modest out of towner opinion
Of course just my modest out of towner opinion
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No.. not at all. I've been on here reading all of the comments. When it comes to replies, I think Bern does a much better job explaining the situation the organizers are in. The core organizers number barely in the double digits, everyone has life passing by, kids, family... etc. Who has time to organize a freebie show anymore?
If you guys want to contribute, buy a friggin SS13 shirt! I still have about 4 boxes (maybe 300 shirts still!!) people PROMISED to purchase when we did that last re-print. We cant even square up on the shirts, and we're talking pre-paid drag racing, dynos, track events at El Toro or Irwindale? lol
Beer Garden? Seriously? We need people with 12 packs walking around the lot? Who's fronting security? While I enjoy a dozen cold brews just as much as the next guy, SS just isn't that kind of a show. We're not the next HIN, we don't have garden hoses to wet down the bikini girls. If we DID, I'd be the one holding the water hose!
Yeah, we can charge $20 a head to attend, but have WE ever? SS is a free event and forever will be in the foreseeable future. There's some ideas being kicked around, but I guess if we don't get a solid plan out there, I'm down with a beach BBQ at the very least. That's pretty much free, unless you count the $15 to park. See what I mean? Nothing's free anymore...Can someone else bring the grill and EZ-Ups this time? I'd like to bring my FD out this time.
-Andy
If you guys want to contribute, buy a friggin SS13 shirt! I still have about 4 boxes (maybe 300 shirts still!!) people PROMISED to purchase when we did that last re-print. We cant even square up on the shirts, and we're talking pre-paid drag racing, dynos, track events at El Toro or Irwindale? lol
Beer Garden? Seriously? We need people with 12 packs walking around the lot? Who's fronting security? While I enjoy a dozen cold brews just as much as the next guy, SS just isn't that kind of a show. We're not the next HIN, we don't have garden hoses to wet down the bikini girls. If we DID, I'd be the one holding the water hose!
Yeah, we can charge $20 a head to attend, but have WE ever? SS is a free event and forever will be in the foreseeable future. There's some ideas being kicked around, but I guess if we don't get a solid plan out there, I'm down with a beach BBQ at the very least. That's pretty much free, unless you count the $15 to park. See what I mean? Nothing's free anymore...Can someone else bring the grill and EZ-Ups this time? I'd like to bring my FD out this time.
-Andy
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First and foremost, I would like to thank Bernie and the So-Cal Rx Club for putting on a great event year after year. It is easy to armchair quarterback, but this core group of people in their spare time have turned a small gathering into the largest rotary gathering in the world IIRC.
The fact that this is a free event and has always been maintained as such is also impressive.
While Mazda is a large company, believe me that they can be very tight fisted in their finances. "Bernie might remember some IMSA rare IMSA documents that I still have in a safe."
Don't drink the koolade when you see the Mazda commericals, this is a business and they will invest money only where they see a return. Does anyone think it is a coincidence that Mazda first got involved in 7stock around the same time the the Rx-Evolve / Rx8 was making its emergence? With the Rx8 program closing, I can certainly understand the philisophical differences and corporate mentality stepping in.
It is purely speculation on my part, but the Mazda & 7stock marriage seems to be at a crossroads as Mazda. Funny this comes from a company who once stated in a commercial. "What happens when a company has more engineers then accountants... Mazda"
If the venue needs to change, I will support the event where it lands. I am also confident that I canspeak for the entire SCR group when I say we will be happy to lend a hand and support where we can.
Thanks
The fact that this is a free event and has always been maintained as such is also impressive.
While Mazda is a large company, believe me that they can be very tight fisted in their finances. "Bernie might remember some IMSA rare IMSA documents that I still have in a safe."
Don't drink the koolade when you see the Mazda commericals, this is a business and they will invest money only where they see a return. Does anyone think it is a coincidence that Mazda first got involved in 7stock around the same time the the Rx-Evolve / Rx8 was making its emergence? With the Rx8 program closing, I can certainly understand the philisophical differences and corporate mentality stepping in.
It is purely speculation on my part, but the Mazda & 7stock marriage seems to be at a crossroads as Mazda. Funny this comes from a company who once stated in a commercial. "What happens when a company has more engineers then accountants... Mazda"
If the venue needs to change, I will support the event where it lands. I am also confident that I canspeak for the entire SCR group when I say we will be happy to lend a hand and support where we can.
Thanks
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First and foremost, I would like to thank Bernie and the So-Cal Rx Club for putting on a great event year after year. It is easy to armchair quarterback, but this core group of people in their spare time have turned a small gathering into the largest rotary gathering in the world IIRC.
The fact that this is a free event and has always been maintained as such is also impressive.
While Mazda is a large company, believe me that they can be very tight fisted in their finances. "Bernie might remember some IMSA rare IMSA documents that I still have in a safe."
Don't drink the koolade when you see the Mazda commericals, this is a business and they will invest money only where they see a return. Does anyone think it is a coincidence that Mazda first got involved in 7stock around the same time the the Rx-Evolve / Rx8 was making its emergence? With the Rx8 program closing, I can certainly understand the philisophical differences and corporate mentality stepping in.
It is purely speculation on my part, but the Mazda & 7stock marriage seems to be at a crossroads as Mazda. Funny this comes from a company who once stated in a commercial. "What happens when a company has more engineers then accountants... Mazda"
If the venue needs to change, I will support the event where it lands. I am also confident that I canspeak for the entire SCR group when I say we will be happy to lend a hand and support where we can.
Thanks
The fact that this is a free event and has always been maintained as such is also impressive.
While Mazda is a large company, believe me that they can be very tight fisted in their finances. "Bernie might remember some IMSA rare IMSA documents that I still have in a safe."
Don't drink the koolade when you see the Mazda commericals, this is a business and they will invest money only where they see a return. Does anyone think it is a coincidence that Mazda first got involved in 7stock around the same time the the Rx-Evolve / Rx8 was making its emergence? With the Rx8 program closing, I can certainly understand the philisophical differences and corporate mentality stepping in.
It is purely speculation on my part, but the Mazda & 7stock marriage seems to be at a crossroads as Mazda. Funny this comes from a company who once stated in a commercial. "What happens when a company has more engineers then accountants... Mazda"
If the venue needs to change, I will support the event where it lands. I am also confident that I canspeak for the entire SCR group when I say we will be happy to lend a hand and support where we can.
Thanks
We appreciate the support and look forward to seeing you and all of the SCR guys later this year!
-Bern
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I see the points both sides are making.
On one side I understand that it is a volunteer not for profit event and that Mazda is strangling the things that can and cant be done. You guys are doing everything you can and for free, and that's awesome.
On the other side as a person that has to drive 8+ hours I agree that I would like more, something new. I have found myself disappointed that it is almost exactly the same year after year. First, please get rid of the RC car thing. At the very least there will be more parking for attendees, at best it could be replaced with something CAR related. Second as much as I liked seeing that guys super old rotary powered cars (the blue bubble and white cosmo) and I enjoyed talking to him for around and hour a few years back I was disappointed to see the exact same cars back year after year. That space once again could be used for something new to see.
Over all thanks for putting on the show. If you guys can make it fresh in some way that would be great and I would definitely be willing to pay an entrance fee to help the show be better.
On one side I understand that it is a volunteer not for profit event and that Mazda is strangling the things that can and cant be done. You guys are doing everything you can and for free, and that's awesome.
On the other side as a person that has to drive 8+ hours I agree that I would like more, something new. I have found myself disappointed that it is almost exactly the same year after year. First, please get rid of the RC car thing. At the very least there will be more parking for attendees, at best it could be replaced with something CAR related. Second as much as I liked seeing that guys super old rotary powered cars (the blue bubble and white cosmo) and I enjoyed talking to him for around and hour a few years back I was disappointed to see the exact same cars back year after year. That space once again could be used for something new to see.
Over all thanks for putting on the show. If you guys can make it fresh in some way that would be great and I would definitely be willing to pay an entrance fee to help the show be better.
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Make it happen please!
I don't care just make 7stock happen! Half the fun for me is just going to so-cal and getting gay with Jaime and making my gf second guess my sexuality. The other half is taking picture's of girls asses at sevenstock and then posting them here on the club and making my gf second guess my morality.
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You wanted up to the minute updates on Seven Stock as to when and where or "WHERE EVER" status so you got it, plus more. Just everybody given an opinion on what they would like to see, what changes should or could be made, is a bonus.
Its all talk and no walk but it is what it is, when the concern is more about who will volunteer to orchestrate the cars at 6am, and make sure that no cars leave the show area before 2pm...
Its all talk and no walk but it is what it is, when the concern is more about who will volunteer to orchestrate the cars at 6am, and make sure that no cars leave the show area before 2pm...
Why not talk about the concern for volunteers doing all the "orchestrating"? It's those same people that try to keep the event organized, enjoyable and safe so that we don't get run off by the cops. In turn, ideas like a beer garden, can actually be permitted in the future based on a responsible showing. I don't see anything wrong with a 2pm cutoff. It ensures that the people coming to the event know they'll be seeing something if they come before a certain time and won't disrupt the people walking around.
I'm all for fun ideas and having a good time but the things that are more tedious and less fun to do are the things that make Seven Stock what it is and that, I know, is not as easy to do as some may think.
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I don't care just make 7stock happen! Half the fun for me is just going to so-cal and getting gay with Jaime and making my gf second guess my sexuality. The other half is taking picture's of girls asses at sevenstock and then posting them here on the club and making my gf second guess my morality.
Just make it happen. Nothing every compares to your first 7Stock, just like nothing every compares to the first time you had sex with your wife (that was for the wife's in case they're reading ) The follow up times are what you make them.
If you're a 3rd Gen guy, spend more time with the old school farts next 7Stock. Old school guys, spend some time with the fuel injection younglings.
Just make 7Stock happen so they can.
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I absolutely agree with Berny. Each year it amazes me how organized the event is, free of charge. Nobody gets injured and nothing serious happens. People want this event. I would seriously start charging $5-$20 per person. I'd pay it, and it's an all day event. Well worth it too.
I do hope there is another event this year. Yes the rotary is a dying breed with the rx8 about to get chopped off. But that doesn't mean 7stock should be chopped off too.
A 7 stock track event would be cool, but that's what mazdafest is about each year. There are not enough rotary powered cars to make an event like that happen.
I do hope there is another event this year. Yes the rotary is a dying breed with the rx8 about to get chopped off. But that doesn't mean 7stock should be chopped off too.
A 7 stock track event would be cool, but that's what mazdafest is about each year. There are not enough rotary powered cars to make an event like that happen.