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work sucks *** today..and im dragging feet with all these stupid **** patients...but what really sucks is that i have to keep my customer service up to par when i really want to slap the **** out of these peeps
- do you ever watch battlestar galactica?
- NO? Then you are an idiot.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dk3L4RjfJbk
- NO? Then you are an idiot.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dk3L4RjfJbk
Wangan Nasty
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine, Southern California
Tankless water heaters superheat water as it passes through a copper heat exchanger. That way there is an endless supply of water. Ignition is electric, however the burners are natural gas or liquid propane powered. Because there is no pilot light, most commercial and residential applications save 30-40 percent each month on gas. It saves space, and hot water is endless.
Cost for each unit is more, installation can be sometimes pricey, and we def some kind of filtration system for them.
But, ANY kind of commercial and residential application can be powered, depending on budget, and infrastructure. The units can be multilinked in series.
Cost for each unit is more, installation can be sometimes pricey, and we def some kind of filtration system for them.
But, ANY kind of commercial and residential application can be powered, depending on budget, and infrastructure. The units can be multilinked in series.
Wangan Nasty
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine, Southern California
It depends on Square footage of the house, number of bathrooms, and avg. peak use (no of people in the house too).
Smallest (studio, small condo, 1 bath and 1 1/2 bath) goes for about 1400 or so (all labor and parts), med size (2 full baths) goes for about 2000, larger 3-4 bathroom + houses is 2600-3400 or more. Commercial costs more because everything has to be met to code. Sometimes residential can be cheaper if the customer does not care about permits and such. All prices do not include any rebates. In so cal, all of our units except our 2 largest are qualifyable for a 200 dollar gas company rebate.
There are 3 IMO good quality brands: Takagi, Rinnai, and Noritz. All are japanese. I work for Takagi.
Smallest (studio, small condo, 1 bath and 1 1/2 bath) goes for about 1400 or so (all labor and parts), med size (2 full baths) goes for about 2000, larger 3-4 bathroom + houses is 2600-3400 or more. Commercial costs more because everything has to be met to code. Sometimes residential can be cheaper if the customer does not care about permits and such. All prices do not include any rebates. In so cal, all of our units except our 2 largest are qualifyable for a 200 dollar gas company rebate.
There are 3 IMO good quality brands: Takagi, Rinnai, and Noritz. All are japanese. I work for Takagi.
Last edited by Miata_mx5; May 14, 2008 at 09:44 PM.
that is still not a bad price even for the most expensive one depending on the size of the house...the end result will be money back in his/her pocket long term down the road...
Wangan Nasty
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine, Southern California
True, even with really bad water quality, they last at least 7 years. With a water softener or if their city has good water they can last up to 10-15 if not more (realistic years). If someone pays about 50 bucks for their gas bill (2 bedroom house), and they save 20 bucks each month. That is 240 bucks a year. 7 x 240 is 1680.
They at least broke even. If they take care of their units, and do the proper maintanance, (Cleaning the little filter, making sure it has proper gas supply, proper air quality (not next to a clothes dryer, these spew out lint and dust which block the burners), they can last a lot longer.
Commercial coin laundries, restaurants, etc see huge gains even if their units do not last as long, because their gas bills are huge. Coin laundries spend at least 1000-1200 dollars each month on gas with 2 - 3 75 gallon water heaters. With 3-4 units multi-linked together, they cut that in 1/2.
I am also a field service technician, i do the sizing, sales, work with some commercial accounts too. So when i sell these, i give realistic expectations, not by the book answers.
They at least broke even. If they take care of their units, and do the proper maintanance, (Cleaning the little filter, making sure it has proper gas supply, proper air quality (not next to a clothes dryer, these spew out lint and dust which block the burners), they can last a lot longer.
Commercial coin laundries, restaurants, etc see huge gains even if their units do not last as long, because their gas bills are huge. Coin laundries spend at least 1000-1200 dollars each month on gas with 2 - 3 75 gallon water heaters. With 3-4 units multi-linked together, they cut that in 1/2.
I am also a field service technician, i do the sizing, sales, work with some commercial accounts too. So when i sell these, i give realistic expectations, not by the book answers.
Wangan Nasty
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine, Southern California
It can be fun, when we work with large accounts like Yoshinoya, panda express, McDonalds. We are doing a project for the "Hiltons" House in Hollywood. We have units in Lucy Liu's house, Djimon Honsou's house (actor from amistad), and one of Brad Pitt's houses too.
Sometimes working with small accounts can be frustrating, as customers cheap out on installations by going with cheaper plumbers who do not understand the technology, and then have to end up paying us later for service calls. Naturally they blame Takagi for a "shitty product", and say tankless is junk or they go back to a traditional tank. We never said it was for everyone. It has its' benefits and weaknesses like all things.
It is a mixed feeling. I have learned a lot. But, i will be leaving soon as i intend on going to japan for a month again lol.
Sometimes working with small accounts can be frustrating, as customers cheap out on installations by going with cheaper plumbers who do not understand the technology, and then have to end up paying us later for service calls. Naturally they blame Takagi for a "shitty product", and say tankless is junk or they go back to a traditional tank. We never said it was for everyone. It has its' benefits and weaknesses like all things.
It is a mixed feeling. I have learned a lot. But, i will be leaving soon as i intend on going to japan for a month again lol.
Wangan Nasty
Joined: Apr 2006
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From: Irvine, Southern California
No, i am not japanese. I went to japan in january for 3 1/2 weeks as vacation (there was an old 5-6 page thread on it in Rx7 visual i think). It was cold as hell, but i had a blast.
I just want to go to back, because this fall i am going back to school to try to finally finish a 4 year degree. I might as well visit friends, and take a long trip to japan because i do not want to work/do school at the same time. Tried that last time, and was too distracted. It is just for fun, and to hang out with some rotary friends.
I just want to go to back, because this fall i am going back to school to try to finally finish a 4 year degree. I might as well visit friends, and take a long trip to japan because i do not want to work/do school at the same time. Tried that last time, and was too distracted. It is just for fun, and to hang out with some rotary friends.