New smog laws for 2013
02-11-13, 09:33 AM
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I think the thing that bugs me about the whole program is the expectation that a certain number of cars should fail, & that a shop can get in trouble if they are not failing enough cars.
Statistically, it's true enough over a large enough population, but the government's attitude about it kind of gets under my skin; it's like saying that because statistically one person in 300 is a shoplifter, then a cop should be arresting every 300th person. Which is nonsense on it's face.
It's turning analytics around into prediction, which is not valid reasoning. Statistics do not predict.
Statistically, it's true enough over a large enough population, but the government's attitude about it kind of gets under my skin; it's like saying that because statistically one person in 300 is a shoplifter, then a cop should be arresting every 300th person. Which is nonsense on it's face.
It's turning analytics around into prediction, which is not valid reasoning. Statistics do not predict.
04-12-13, 04:02 PM
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I got the renewal notice for my '03 Z last night - - and across the top it directs that I must go to a STAR station only.
Car's bone stock & passed it last (first-ever) check with no issues, so whatever's causing the STAR directs has nothing to do with the vehicle's specific history.
Car's bone stock & passed it last (first-ever) check with no issues, so whatever's causing the STAR directs has nothing to do with the vehicle's specific history.
04-12-13, 04:19 PM
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What's with ethanol? Why is the government getting so oddly Strick on "smog" laws even to the point where a random new OE/stock car like yours has to go to star station. While it seems no one is pursuing ethanol anymore. And if I have modified my car to run on ethanol it won't pass "smog" by visual.
What's with the drop in flex fuel interest...brazil has a mandate for it and it works great AND We were supposed to begin going that route.
Passing smog is not about small/pollution, but about paying a tax that we didn't vote on
What's with the drop in flex fuel interest...brazil has a mandate for it and it works great AND We were supposed to begin going that route.
Passing smog is not about small/pollution, but about paying a tax that we didn't vote on
04-12-13, 10:00 PM
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Ethanol is not a good replacement for gasoline when dealing with cars not made for it.
Cellulostic ethanol is not commercially viable yet. Corn-based ethanol is ecologically unsound when the entire production pathway is examined; much more polluting per gallon delivered than is gasoline.
Ethanol also produces more greenhouse gas per mile driven than does gasoline.
Not to mention, using what should be food to make fuel for cars & in the process driving the price of food so high that poor people starve, is not real bright.
Cellulostic ethanol is not commercially viable yet. Corn-based ethanol is ecologically unsound when the entire production pathway is examined; much more polluting per gallon delivered than is gasoline.
Ethanol also produces more greenhouse gas per mile driven than does gasoline.
Not to mention, using what should be food to make fuel for cars & in the process driving the price of food so high that poor people starve, is not real bright.
04-14-13, 02:26 PM
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^ Are you seriously refuting that ethanol (such as from sugar cane in Brazil) refinement is much less polluting/toxic then the refinement of gasoline? It's also even carbon neutral when it comes to the actual emissions.
Not to mention the Brazil is almost 100% energy self sufficient because of it. So I am not sure if you are insinuating that the infrastructure simply isn't there for a push...
Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the United States at one time gave tax breaks/incentives for growing marijuana…That has moved into similar breaks for people to grow corn and now tons of food products main Ingredient is some sort of corn such as corn syrup. Corn is obviously also used to feed livestock to make more food. Why couldn't these pushes continue for alternative fuels such as ethanol?
Now, in no way am I saying alcohol/ethanol is the end all be all answer to an alternative fuel issue. I just don't get why it isn't more back especially in recent years. It's faaaaaily common in the Midwest (more tractors and things that use it too) and the east coast. Just more Scarce here on the West Coast. I have one right down the street from my house, and enough in the bay area. There's even plenty in Vegas. But taking a road trip to Vegas… That becomes hard. Or going on a trip anywhere really without planing the exact routs and stops ahead.
Just sucks
Not to mention the Brazil is almost 100% energy self sufficient because of it. So I am not sure if you are insinuating that the infrastructure simply isn't there for a push...
Now I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the United States at one time gave tax breaks/incentives for growing marijuana…That has moved into similar breaks for people to grow corn and now tons of food products main Ingredient is some sort of corn such as corn syrup. Corn is obviously also used to feed livestock to make more food. Why couldn't these pushes continue for alternative fuels such as ethanol?
Now, in no way am I saying alcohol/ethanol is the end all be all answer to an alternative fuel issue. I just don't get why it isn't more back especially in recent years. It's faaaaaily common in the Midwest (more tractors and things that use it too) and the east coast. Just more Scarce here on the West Coast. I have one right down the street from my house, and enough in the bay area. There's even plenty in Vegas. But taking a road trip to Vegas… That becomes hard. Or going on a trip anywhere really without planing the exact routs and stops ahead.
Just sucks
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