Ok here is the deal, I got pulled over for speeding, and the cop saw my pillar gauge and asks to check under the hood. I have no emmison controlls with a 13b-re swap in an FC. Before he got the chance to check under the hood he got a call on the radio and had to leave.

So I know my car isn't smog legal. I havent yet had to smog it, and won't for another year. In my previous GSLSE with no smog controlls I would just have the registration sent out of state when the smog was due. But its seems like times are changing. I have read recently that they are going to have automated smog checking devices in san diego soon.

My understanding is that for a car with an engine swap you can get it certified as smog legal if it has all the OEM smog controlls.

Would it be possible to get a 13b-re past CA smog as a 13b-rew powered car
Assuming I make it look like an rew with manifolds and other parts.

What mods are legal for the visual? Specifilcly are FMIC's legal?

What about intakes?

I have heard that there is a huge loophole to get a car smog exempt by claiming its been converted to deisel or methanol or something.

Any help is appreciated.


Thanks,,,,

 

the 13B-RE is not legal on any car in the states.

You might be able to convince them it is a 13BREW, but then you have to meet 93-96 emissions standards including the visual... which the 13B-RE won't do.

Your best bet is to get as much as you can and pass the actual sniffer test, and then if they won't let you pass on visual, then ask for a referee station. The referee station only cares about passing the sniffer.

But I suspect you are screwed, as you can't run the car on diesel and won't be able to have the particulate trap anyway.

And a FMIC should have no effect on emissions. It does not matter if it is a front mount or top mount.

 

I ran a first gen on deisel once when I ran out of gas near a truck stop. Flouled the plugs and smoked and had what seemed like 40 HP but it got me to gas station.

 

I have no other input except that next time: Do not even think of opening your hood. The gauges ARE LEGAL therefore there is no probabe cause that you would break the law and remove emissions equipment.

 

find someone to do it under the table (irregery)

 

then you can get it towed
they don't need proof of modification. suspicion means they suspect you of beeing modified. they dont need hints or evidence, just their gut feeling you have mods.

 

First of all dude you are 20. Now unless you are informed, cops will trample all over you. That is the truth.

lol that's what they always say. Think about that for a second. They are towing your car because they can't prove that you are breaking the law. That is screaming harrassment.

Call the cops bluff why not? Tell him to tow it but you will march right up and file a harrassment suit against the department and officer. Because under the eyes of the law you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Unless he is asking the little old lady that he pulled over last week to open her hood then he shouldn't ask you either, unless he has probable cause. The way you look, the way you speak, your age, the type of car you drive are all biased reasons, not probable cause. Probable cause would be if he finds that you have removed your cat or if you actually have an illegal exhaust.

ah no. Probable cause was set up to protect the ordinary citizen from biased, prejudiced officers. Think about it this way: There is a drive-by shooting in your neighborhood. There are no eye witnesses. You are the only minority within ten miles. Cop thinks: he must have done it because white people don't do this. So there he goes and subjects you and your family to an invasive search of your house and car. All on his gut feeling... All the while you had nothing to do with it and you were nowhere near the crime. Yeah that's not gonna happen. The police needs probable cause for on the spot searches. In this case it would be if there were witnesses and the car's description matched your vehicle's or something of the sort.


Take a class in criminal justice and you will see exactly what I am talking about.

 

You are so far off, it is laughable.

They can tow your car for any offense, and get away with it. Try screaming harassment when you have your car breaking the law. Harassment only works if you are not violating the law.

If you have modified the intake, exhaust, engine, and it does not have the CARB stickers you have broken the law.

And even if you have not modifed the car... they can tow it under suspicion and applogize later and have nothing happen. In fact a judge would even throw out your harassment case, if they appologized.

The real world is a little different than a Criminal Justice class at the local community college.

 

From my friends experiences with honda's, you can have allmost any modifications in the car, and the onlything that will get you sent to a ref is a removed air pump or removed cat.

In any case, I know have a plan to make my 13b-re swap smog legal. Well technicaly it will be smog legal in apearance only, but that should be close enough.

I'm sure they can and do impound cars or ticket things for less I just havn't seen it. For just a cone filter or even header and turbo mods they usually just give fix it tickets as long as you have a cat.

The worst thing I have heard of, is my former manager getting a ticket in his chevelle for the tires not being the stock size (what the ticket actually said), and no they where not sticking out of the fenders nor did they require mud flaps or anything like that.

 

no your lack of reading skills is laughable. lol.

Everything you just said is worthless because I stated quite frankly that if he is legal then a search is not justified. Go back an read it. English 101 was not your friend.

I did state that an illegal exhaust is probable cause. As far as intake, an engine well they need to find a reason to search in order to find that don't they?

Ever heard of an illegal search? guess it does not apply to us. (4th amendment, actually)



I only threw that in because it opens one's mind to what our rights actually are. Besides I have quite the experience in knowing how the real world works thank you. Everything that I stated I spoke from experience. But hey man if you love to take up the *** from the police go right ahead obviously you enjoy it.

 

Hmm pretty sad... I guess if someone thinks you don't know **** you must insult them.

Were you going to Miramar Community College to try and become a cop?

 

I don't try I do. No, never in my life I wanted to be in law enforcement. My path in life has led me to a BS in Electrical Engineering and some grad work.

BTW- I went back and read what I wrote. I was offensive and I apologize for that.

 

I was stereotyped in my lowered CRX in whatevr that city is with the racetrack. pulled over at 2am (lost my booty call) and was harrassed with lies. Was told i was driving too fast, then too slow, then unsafe lane change, then not using blinker, then not using it soon enough, went on and on. He had allready called in the tow truck before he pulled me over! I showed my registration but did not have the sticker. I showed him a printout of VC proving I was legal but that only made him more of a dick.

bottom line: he towed me illegaly, harassed me illegaly, left me without transportation at 3am screwed. He knew he was wrong and didn't care. He knew I was going to file a complaint and take it to court as I vowed he didn't care. As he said, yes i'm wrong and yes you will win but I still get to tow your car tonight and nothing you can do about it. Yes, you can get me in trouble but tonight your still fucked (basically his words). I filed a complaint (nothing happened, he was the sargent). Took it to court, got 1/2 my money back because stoarage company is not gov/state owned. Took me over 7hrs to get my car back and over $700 and only got 1/2 back with an apology from the judge and put on the city's black list to get fucked again.

 

thats fucked up

 

Holy ****. Someone that is right for a change when it comes to law enforcement. Thanks Icemark for clearing that up.


It is A LOT easier to search a car than a house. All you need is a reasonable suspicion that the driver could have modified the engine (loud exhaust, guages, lowered).

 

i got my 6000 offenses and the arrest charge dropped from my incident in june. now i'm working on the harassment case.

 

are you retarded?
you are way the **** off.
it does not go that way.
thats like saying you can resist arrest because you dont want to be arrested
and file harrassment when the cop cuffs you

maybe you would learn something if you go to a real college... like one that requires qualifications...

 

Since you are a fan of that chick I will also go ahead and assume you are about 20 yrs old, if not then you are pedo. Given your age what the hell could you tell me about life? nothing that's what.


But oh no you know better so please elaborate on your experience on how you got owned. I would love to hear it and laugh at you on how another stupid 20 year old got fucked for being ignorant.


Hey Hillary Muff fan: really it doesn't go that way? Like I said to others go take it up the *** if you want, I speak FROM EXPERIENCE. I have been in that situation. I have denied searches of my vehicle in the past. The cops don't like it and it's certainly not fun because you will get harrassed, but if you know your **** and prove it you might get the best outcome. Or get your **** towed (I have never gotten my car towed BTW)... Life is a gamble. I'd rather get my **** towed and file a complaint againts the officer (1 complaint does not do **** but if they accumulate it makes a difference, so why not?), than pay big $$ for stuff under my hood.



lol... Very funny that you made a remark about my education and whether it's accredited or not. Are you jealous or something?

and you call me retarded? you are a complete idiot if you think resisting arrest = not consenting to a search. lol what a dumbass... no wonder you are mad at your self about your education status.

 

I just read your myspace... I was ******* right 19 years old. What a laugh. Seriously alan, what the **** could you tell me about anything? What wisdom in your life experience have you gained. Got any stock tips? how to maximize my equity? lol. nope. Well maybe you can score me a free poster of hillary duff for my nephew. lol.

And goes to Chico State...pfft what is their claim to fame? oh yeah drinking beer, not academics. Make sure you put Chico State in bold on your resume because that will get you far Skip right over those MIT grads to get to you that's for sure.

 

Sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately it's true, when we get pulled over we are at the officer's mercy. The only weapon we have is that the officer really does not want to deal with us "after" the fact. Meaning that yes they will be complaints (and they add up), or lawsuits in the future. It's good that you went to court and won. It's a damn shame you only got half your $$.

Now after your win and apology, did you try to go after the cop in civil court? Meaning person to person lawsuit so the cop has to pay out of his pocket. I know that judges are exempt from civil lawsuits due to making bad decisions while on the job (negligence, abuse of power) but I'm not too sure about police officers. Last I remember they weren't exempt but that was years ago.

 

^ I asked about it and with great suprise and very reluctantly they realized they had to find out and I was told pretty much the same with them being on the clock it wouldn't be a personal law suit and I couldn't sue the storage place because it wasn't their mistake.

Another note, in my lifted Ford F150 I never get pulled over or even looked at whether I am speeding, changing lanes or anything. Are they steroetyping me as a rich white boy? In the CRX I allways got followed and pulled over all the time even whithout doing any wrong. In the truck since it's an auto I tend to use the cruise ont he frwy and on the streets i drive within limits. The problem I now have with the truck is everyone in front of me are allways ********. If they would take their eyes off the rear view mirror and look at the road like they are supposed to then they wouldn't slow down and it wouldn't look like I was tailgating becasue they drive 5mph with no foot on the gas pedal. I even have asswipes stop short trying to get me to rear end them. Little do these stupid people realize I would actually drive over them and stop on top and squish them like a bug!

 

I don't quite understand what gauges have to do with beeing "Modified" just cause you have a ricer 12" tach on your civic doesn't mean you're modified jack, just means your blind or stupid

I don't understand where the law draws it's conclusions on "probhable cause" since 10-15 years ago, aftermarket rims were considered a rich man's game, and as I recall "Suspicious" if not probhable cause.... now every soccer mom has 'em !

 

Okay, you caught me. I love Hilary Duff. I do drink alot of beer and I do alot of other stuff too...
but really, I am sure putting CSU Chico in bold would do better than putting in Miramar Community College... anywhere... in any font... on any resume...

Who knows, maybe they really would skip over them Miramar Community Insitute of Technology 2 year grad students!

Too bad it will still take ya some semesters to get there....

 

A long time ago one of my Marines got pulled over, car towed blatantly harrased and left. The only thing not stock on the car was an exhaust tip. It even had a stock muffler. When he got the car back it was thrashed. The engine had been run with no oil, the crankase was full of water and it was knocking bad.
He hired a layer, and found out that the cop had several complaints alleging racism (the kid was asian). I think he sued for violation of civil rights. He made around 90K out of it and got the cop fired. This was in downy about 3-4 years ago. Him an his brother also got some other form of revenge, but I'm not going to post specifics on the internet. Eye for an eye.

 

like i've said many times , get a po box in a town with less than 500 people and you won't have to smog