Idemitsu Oil
03-25-06, 05:27 PM
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How Many People Are Interested In This Oil? I Am Working With A Company That My Become A Dealer And Be The Distributor Fo Ca. We Need To See A Good Number Of Peolpe To See If This Will Be Worth Doing. Please Give Any Feed Back.
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03-25-06, 07:14 PM
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Idemitsu?
The Rotary Racing Oil? I am interested. The oil company is in Signal Hill, CA. It's in southern California. HOw much you know about the oil?
-Ryousuke
The Rotary Racing Oil? I am interested. The oil company is in Signal Hill, CA. It's in southern California. HOw much you know about the oil?
-Ryousuke
03-25-06, 09:42 PM
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i don't see the point, not trying to spark controversy but it is just overpriced synthetic 2 stroke oil with the words "rotary" on the bottle. if it was rotary specific i could see a point but it is basically false advertising.... rotary proven? pfffft.
we used to sell snake oils at the dealers, it is just a mind screw is all. i buy 2 stroke oil from my local motorcycle shop when i need some good quality 2 stroke oil.
we used to sell snake oils at the dealers, it is just a mind screw is all. i buy 2 stroke oil from my local motorcycle shop when i need some good quality 2 stroke oil.
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03-25-06, 11:24 PM
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that oil is not api certified ... a big no-no for several reasons...to what and who's standard is this oil designed to meet or exceed? what kind of q/c standards is the company using? no dealer will warranty any rx8 that uses a motor oil that is not api certified!!! be carefull!!!!
03-26-06, 12:00 PM
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I'm going to have to agree with Karack and 680rwhp12A. With it not being certified and the fact that it's just over priced because they wrote Rotary Specific on the bottle, I'd steer clear of it.
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03-26-06, 02:56 PM
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I *shrug* at the previous stuff people are saying... no offense of course... understandable that no one is going to warrantee a car using a questionable oil. But Idemitsu is a huge Japanese provider of oil, they aren't some backwaters snake oil vendors. The reason they call it "rotary specific" is that they were hired by Mazda to design an oil specifically well rounded for use in the Le Mans winning rotaries... and yes it is a synthetic. They actually have a few different kinds of oil for the rotary depending on what you're doing with them.
While I don't think the oil could be worth a daily driver (for the price), I'd certainly look into using it for a race application... you'll probably find it has a slightly better heat transfer across all temperatures. Synthetics are known to be "bad" in rotaries (it gets complicated, but you can go read any of a number of threads in the 2nd gen section on how synthetics work and why they break down quicker in a rotary) but a synthetic DESIGNED for a rotary would not have the same problems. The problem with most synthetics is they are NOT designed for rotaries.
The standard you're talking about might be impossible for a forgein company to comply with (aka they'd need to PAY a ton just to let the company test them and give them the seal of approval).
This is speculation though... while they DID work for Mazda, I don't know if they're still working with them... and I think they're trying an honest approach to the American market.. they've been around for years now, just offering their services.. not trying to make a big splash or anything. Seems to me if they were "snake oil" vendors you'd see them in your face a LOT more.
--Gary
While I don't think the oil could be worth a daily driver (for the price), I'd certainly look into using it for a race application... you'll probably find it has a slightly better heat transfer across all temperatures. Synthetics are known to be "bad" in rotaries (it gets complicated, but you can go read any of a number of threads in the 2nd gen section on how synthetics work and why they break down quicker in a rotary) but a synthetic DESIGNED for a rotary would not have the same problems. The problem with most synthetics is they are NOT designed for rotaries.
The standard you're talking about might be impossible for a forgein company to comply with (aka they'd need to PAY a ton just to let the company test them and give them the seal of approval).
This is speculation though... while they DID work for Mazda, I don't know if they're still working with them... and I think they're trying an honest approach to the American market.. they've been around for years now, just offering their services.. not trying to make a big splash or anything. Seems to me if they were "snake oil" vendors you'd see them in your face a LOT more.
--Gary
03-26-06, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brody8877
also isnt idemitsu synthetic oil?
03-26-06, 03:08 PM
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understandable, i just feel they could do a LOT better price wise, what is in it to jack the cost up so much? snake oil is a term i use for products that do little to nothing over any previous conventional item/process. you can buy oil that will do a fine job protecting your engine off the shelf at your local auto parts stores, you can buy sythetic 2 stroke oils locally for less that protect just as well. maybe they are recouping their losses for their "testing", until they give proof though to me it is just "snake oil".
i have nothing against Idemitsu, i just have a hard time justifying it, i wouldn't advise my customers to buy it because to me it is just a waste of money to pay for another hyped up name brand.
i have nothing against Idemitsu, i just have a hard time justifying it, i wouldn't advise my customers to buy it because to me it is just a waste of money to pay for another hyped up name brand.
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03-27-06, 12:10 AM
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still unsure if id ever switch to synthetic, seems to be too much controversy over regular vs synthetic and if its OK or if its bad for your engine or whatever. everyone has their own opinions.
03-29-06, 12:32 PM
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bwahahahhahaha 
the best looking bearings and e-shafts from motors i've disassembled have all used mobil one.
the second best is everything else. regular changes are infinately more important than what goes in there.
the best looking bearings and e-shafts from motors i've disassembled have all used mobil one.
the second best is everything else. regular changes are infinately more important than what goes in there.
03-29-06, 02:13 PM
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I've been using Idemitsu rotary premix for a year in my 4 rotaries. Seems to work OK, 'course it takes years to see any change in wear patterns. I bought the pitch that it's designed for the specific application.
03-29-06, 09:31 PM
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$7.50/qt...
n/a's have proven bearings can last well into the 2-300k mile range, using $.99/qt autobone oil. let's say your motor lasts 300k miles. you do an oil change every 3k miles... that's about 100 oil changes.
X let's say 5 qts per change, means you spend roughly $500 on oil alone.
use idemitsu, and you would have spent $3750 on oil.
so how much longer does idemitsu make your bearings last? how much do bearings cost? any way you look at it, it's not worth the money.
now high-po oil is definately good in hi-po applications... 500+ hp cars, pp cars that spin 9-10k rpm, etc... but if it's a daily driver, or let's say <400 hp, don't bother wasting your money on that crap.
and if it is a high hp car, torco is the ****.
n/a's have proven bearings can last well into the 2-300k mile range, using $.99/qt autobone oil. let's say your motor lasts 300k miles. you do an oil change every 3k miles... that's about 100 oil changes.
X let's say 5 qts per change, means you spend roughly $500 on oil alone.
use idemitsu, and you would have spent $3750 on oil.
so how much longer does idemitsu make your bearings last? how much do bearings cost? any way you look at it, it's not worth the money.
now high-po oil is definately good in hi-po applications... 500+ hp cars, pp cars that spin 9-10k rpm, etc... but if it's a daily driver, or let's say <400 hp, don't bother wasting your money on that crap.
and if it is a high hp car, torco is the ****.
03-29-06, 10:48 PM
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autobone $.99 coastal
actually, i'd go with valvoline vr1 if you're gonna be beating on it. but regular intervals are so so so so so so so so soooooooooo much more important than what oil actually goes in there.
actually, i'd go with valvoline vr1 if you're gonna be beating on it. but regular intervals are so so so so so so so so soooooooooo much more important than what oil actually goes in there.