Thanks for injecting a little sanity into this debate, pee pee shaw.

Our Government is supposed to be by the people for the people. However, all I see is one people consistently dominating the other people. In my eyes, it is total bullshit.

 

Don't have that stupid ordinance up here in San Francisco or anywhere else in NorCal. Certainly much more liberal up here than the smog-suckers down south.

Just one more reason why NorCal will always be on top

 

Did'nt know this was going to be a big debate...

 

 

 

Actually if you researched this at all, you would have known that it took over a year of court processes to see that camaro destroyed. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing by any means.


I knew you would like my analogy. I wanted it to be extreme to show you how retarded one side of the spectrum always sounds like in debates like this.


So how about this analogy. Say I bought a gun legally, paid my state and government taxes on it, and then one day decided to play target practice on my neighbor. Should I receive it back to me when I get out of jail in 50 years? Should a dumb teenager receive his 3500 pound deadly weapon back after he knowingly hurdles down the street at triple digits repeatedly and killing an innocent person? Once you use your personal possession in that nature, I feel you violate your rights to own that said object.


If I remember correctly the person that had their car crushed was a repeat speed contest violator and this was the last resort to punishing him. Has it happened since? Nope. Will it happen again? Probably not. Will that one incident strike fear in kids across Southern California. Hell yes. Just search the West Section on this debate and you will see it has popped up once or twice a year, expressing that it is still in the back of the street racing community's head. Just from that, it did its job. Very rarely can preventative policing actually happen. Even the threat of losing your life (death penalty) doesn't even work in this society. But take away my car.... unconstitutional.

 

same no one will take my guns or my car unless they stop my hart and even then I wont let go, Jesuscookie is right why do so many people let there rights get abused? do they truely not know?

 

just like they say I guess that having a license is a Privilege not a right they can take it away anytime they want to....

guess they are doing the same with owning a car now..

 

I dont think people race with the intention of hurting anyone were as deciding to use you gun on someone is. Not premeditated like murder 1

 

I have no problem people possessing guns or any other legal object for that matter. I am an avid gun owner/user as you could imagine. But I feel that if a member of society cannot handle the responsibility of owning a object that is capable of deadly consequences, he/she forfeits the rights to own such an object. Only makes sense to me. Thats why there is a screening process to owning a gun. Theoretically, that is why there is a process to obtaining a drivers license (even though it is inadequate). When you sign your name on your drivers license you are basically stating that you understand all of the rules and regulations. Can they take your license away if you violate that said agreement? You bet.



Not sure if I am making sense or not. Take it how you want.

 

In my eyes, that it even worse then. Just shows that said person isn't mature enough to operate a motor vehicle and be responsible of the consequences. Do I want a motorist driving next to the love of my life or my future kids that doesn't think about his/her actions? Think about it.


I sure do hope they raise the age necessary to obtain a drivers license in this state to 18. Seems logical to me.

 

I do think they should make your licence test alot harder for driving cars. But people make mistakes thats why pencils have erasers. And you think someone not intentionally hurting a love one is worse the some one trying to? i dont get that logic.

 

that's fine, but if I do something that makes me one of the people that are unfit to own a gun or car, give me the option and the time to sell those objects since I payed for them. The whole idea is that there's a line that government shouldn't cross. Personal property is right on the edge of that line.

 

Hmmm... I will slow it down for you.


If a motorist is thinking about the consequences as they drive on our nation's roads, he/she is probably less likely to violate the laws knowingly that it is not worth the consequences. A immature motorist acts first before thinking of these consequences (street racer going down city streets at 100mph) or even ignores them. At that point they are not ready to have the kind of responsibilty in driving a motor vehicle.

 

i have one question though, do you think street racing in an industrial area in the wee hours in the morning is as bad? when and where there is no real interference from the public and the only people who will get hurt are participants who assume the risk? I really dont condone it but if you are gonna race someone on the street why not make it more track like, like going somewhere unpopulated with a clear view and a safe enough spot to do so. Becasue its seems these people like to pick the worst spots possible to race each other.

 

Yes thats much better then someone ploting to blow your wifes brain all over the place. There is still no intention of hurting anyone the last thing the driver wants to do is crash, there out for fun not to mame and kill. Thats why theres manslaughter and murder 1

 

People do make mistakes. No denying that. But most people usually only make the same mistake once. That was not the case with "camaro boy". As said before, multiple chances were given before it came time to destroy the deadly weapon. How many chances should be given until the government can step in and force change?


Wish I could find the article that explained the situation about this incident. It's been a long time since I read it.

 

even if you race in the wee hours in an industrial are there is still the chance of death, ny friend died in sylmar street races at 3:00 am only because some idiot pulled out of his space while they were racing, so it does not matter where you do it or what time there is always that chance of death...

 

I can't really comment on my opinion on street racing at this point.


But I will address the rest. How do you know that only participants will be the only one around? What if a company's security guard is driving around in a golf cart that evening with his headphones on. Every other night, it's dead quiet and nobody in sight. I know that is far-fetched, but reality is not predicable. You can always attempt to prepare for all scenarios, but on the street it is virtually impossible.

*edit* Kai got there first.

 

You are missing my point. All you are thinking about is the effect. Causation is half of the equation. I could explain it, but I don't want to put everybody asleep with my Sociology knowledge.

 

i wish our news reporters were that hot

 

You should see all the other ones.

 

Of course theres variables but thats where a driver can think and react some what just like on a track.

 

I just don't like it when you use analogies like that, it lacks any sort of substantiation, doesn't prove your point, and makes you look dumb (which I know you're not). But now that I nokw the circumstances of the incident, it certainly seems less flagrantly wrong. I read news articles that simply stated, "motorist's car crushed after caught street racing". That doesn't really help me in this argument...

The more I look into the issue, the more legitemate the crushing becomes. I think there's been a lot of misinformation on the issue, and here's what happened:

"Officials presided over the destruction of the white IROC Chevrolet Camaro seized on Aug. 30, 2003. The car was later declared a nuisance, then sold at auction to the Valley Traffic Advisory Council, a police-citizens group that donated it to the city."

I guess it's legitemate, and if you think about it, if you use a possession illegally, you typically forfeit the right to own it. It's not like everyone caught street racing will have their car crushed, this was sort of a one-time (or two, maybe three-time) thing that happened becasue the LA police were incensed over the fact that a few days earlier, there had been a "fatal street racing accident" (it was never confirmed that it was a street racing accident, it's just that it was pretty obvious what was going on).

This is a common practice in law enforcement. People who solicit prostitutes usually lose ownership of the cars they use to do so with. Murderers' guns are destroyed after their conviction. Street racing is a felony, is it not? I guess it's not a surprise that it happens for that crime, too. My primary objection to this was that the car was crushed without a proper legal battle, but the car was crushed a year after it was impounded. The two cars that are supposed to be crushed soon will only be crushed after a proper legal process. I guess it's important to keep yourself under check when you read something...check your facts, folks...

 

How about junking this topic. IF I'm a mod, I will transfer this **** to the lounge. This kind of **** doesnt belong in the west forum wherein no argument is allowed except postwhoring.

BTW: where is mr. turboII.