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09-17-07, 05:12 PM
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"Traffic violations are usually enforced when there are no calls for service(911 calls). "
I hang out at a local coffee shop where I see several dozens of cops just "chillen" and talking BS with their buddies for hours. How do I know?...because I'm usually there doing work. For them to be able to hang out that long and not get calls leads me to believe they are just plain lazy. I'm just speaking for the cops I see in my area. Oh forgot about them donuts too....
I hang out at a local coffee shop where I see several dozens of cops just "chillen" and talking BS with their buddies for hours. How do I know?...because I'm usually there doing work. For them to be able to hang out that long and not get calls leads me to believe they are just plain lazy. I'm just speaking for the cops I see in my area. Oh forgot about them donuts too....
09-17-07, 05:19 PM
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Growing up in my small town, I was bothered more than anybody being a ricer kid. Just in highschool I was pulled over close to 30 times. Out of 95% of those stops, I never received a ticket. Why you ask? Because I showed them courtesy and respect.
The officer that pulled you over just used your exhaust as probable cause to stop the car. It is called "getting to the B-pillar". In the big picture, he was doing the proactive police work you think that is out there. Officers use the "chicken-****" violations just to investigate if there is anything of more importance to find (warrants, DUI's, weapons, drugs, shady passengers, etc..). My guess is you had an attitude, or the officer just plain wanted to give you a ticket.
So you are trying to tell me your "friends" in law enforcement have never given a "chicken-****" ticket? If you actually say "yes", I know for a fact that you are lying. Your "friends" probably just wanted to show off and make it seem like that they do all the cool **** you think that they do.
How do you know that the officer that pulled you over usually doesn't give out tickets like that? You don't. Maybe he only did it because of the attitude you pulled or just because he was in a mood.
Obviously there are "ignrant citizens" that comment on the job that have no clue about real police work. Making them ignorant.
Is it that hard to comprehend? On the flip-side, there are citizens that are in the know that I would not call "ignorant citizens". Nothing more, nothing less.
The officer that pulled you over just used your exhaust as probable cause to stop the car. It is called "getting to the B-pillar". In the big picture, he was doing the proactive police work you think that is out there. Officers use the "chicken-****" violations just to investigate if there is anything of more importance to find (warrants, DUI's, weapons, drugs, shady passengers, etc..). My guess is you had an attitude, or the officer just plain wanted to give you a ticket.
So you are trying to tell me your "friends" in law enforcement have never given a "chicken-****" ticket? If you actually say "yes", I know for a fact that you are lying. Your "friends" probably just wanted to show off and make it seem like that they do all the cool **** you think that they do.
How do you know that the officer that pulled you over usually doesn't give out tickets like that? You don't. Maybe he only did it because of the attitude you pulled or just because he was in a mood. Obviously there are "ignrant citizens" that comment on the job that have no clue about real police work. Making them ignorant.
Is it that hard to comprehend? On the flip-side, there are citizens that are in the know that I would not call "ignorant citizens". Nothing more, nothing less.
09-17-07, 05:22 PM
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The officer should take real calls? Do you have any clue what police work is like? I highly doubt it kid. It's not like the officer decided to pull you over instead of taking a robbery in progress. Traffic violations are usually enforced when there are no calls for service(911 calls). Law Enforcement is 90% reactive, not proactive. Officers wish they could prevent crime like all the ignorant citizens (you) think they can, but it just doesn't work like that.
Dsicredit the "reason" for the officer pulling you over? Fat chance buddy. Illegal exhaust is more than plenty probable cause to pull you over. And count on the officer showing up for court for a few reasons...
Number 1 - We have to
Number 2 - If it falls on our day off we get an automatic 4 hours of over-time even if it only takes 30 mintues.
Number 3 - If the court day is on our normal day of work, then why not show up?
By the way, next time try using this thing called paragraphs.
Do you have any clue what police work is like? I highly doubt it kid. It's not like the officer decided to pull you over instead of taking a robbery in progress. Traffic violations are usually enforced when there are no calls for service(911 calls). Law Enforcement is 90% reactive, not proactive. Officers wish they could prevent crime like all the ignorant citizens (you) think they can, but it just doesn't work like that. Dsicredit the "reason" for the officer pulling you over? Fat chance buddy. Illegal exhaust is more than plenty probable cause to pull you over. And count on the officer showing up for court for a few reasons...
Number 1 - We have to
Number 2 - If it falls on our day off we get an automatic 4 hours of over-time even if it only takes 30 mintues.
Number 3 - If the court day is on our normal day of work, then why not show up?
By the way, next time try using this thing called paragraphs.
I would rather see the SJ Police pull over illegal aliens!
09-17-07, 05:23 PM
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"Traffic violations are usually enforced when there are no calls for service(911 calls). "
I hang out at a local coffee shop where I see several dozens of cops just "chillen" and talking BS with their buddies for hours. How do I know?...because I'm usually there doing work. For them to be able to hang out that long and not get calls leads me to believe they are just plain lazy. I'm just speaking for the cops I see in my area. Oh forgot about them donuts too....
I hang out at a local coffee shop where I see several dozens of cops just "chillen" and talking BS with their buddies for hours. How do I know?...because I'm usually there doing work. For them to be able to hang out that long and not get calls leads me to believe they are just plain lazy. I'm just speaking for the cops I see in my area. Oh forgot about them donuts too....
Do you think that officers have a choice if they want to take a call? Dispatchers know where every officer is and when there is a call for service, the closest or more available officer is dispatched to the call. It's simple.
I guess you would rather have them pulling people over for lame violations just because there are no calls for service. You can't have both.
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09-17-07, 05:24 PM
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That is the job of the Immigration and Customs Enforement (I.C.E.) branch of the goverment. Local law enforcement does not actively enforce immegration laws.
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09-17-07, 05:44 PM
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the REAL crime is that we are given the freedom to purchase parts that are ILLEGAL to install onto our "street" cars... in a sense, those "illegal parts" that we buy are more for a "track registered" vehicle, however they are mostly placed on to registered "street" cars...
i love cars, and what i truly love about them is how you can personalize them...
your best bet against "the law" is to get a smog exempt vehicle don't you agree?
"you've got to pay to play" and that's the "crooked" part of living in society... sad? yes... but what can you do??
all you CAN DO now is pay the ticket... i've heard to go for around $350-$400... pay it... then move on... and cross your fingers that a cop will never trail behind you again!!!
i love cars, and what i truly love about them is how you can personalize them...
your best bet against "the law" is to get a smog exempt vehicle don't you agree?
"you've got to pay to play" and that's the "crooked" part of living in society... sad? yes... but what can you do??
all you CAN DO now is pay the ticket... i've heard to go for around $350-$400... pay it... then move on... and cross your fingers that a cop will never trail behind you again!!!
09-17-07, 05:48 PM
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I know exactly what a dispatcher does thank you. As far as having no calls to be taken, my point is not pulling over for violations, like I said before i have no problems with cops pulling me over for a traffic violation If Im in the wrong i will take resonsibility, however pulling me over for loud exhaust is not justifyable to me. I understand making traffic violations to further inspect a situation, as to everything you described but he didnt pull me over for that. The fact that the third sentance out of his mouth was pop your hood means to me he had no intention of pulling me over other than to open my hood and try to be a dick since he had nothing better to do. Before he had said that i had been completely curious and compliant, all I asked after that was why i was pulled over which put him into a fit. I understand cops have a broad job description, and yeah my freinds have writen traffic tickets to those which deserve it not to flex there power. The fact that the officer had the nerve to tell me he might have let me go but hes writing me a ticket as to pretty much in other words than his own " because i can " really irritated me ok write me a ticket for what im reponsible for doing or violations but then dont go out of your way to make me aware that if you would have got some this morning you would have let me go. Fumanchu i dont know what kind of officer you are but i can assume for sure if this officer would have been you this ticket would never had been written. Dont relate yourself to this officer becasue Im sure you look at things differently than he does. Whatever its over now I could have handled it differntly he could have handled it differently, still doenst change the fact that not only me but my passenger who witnessed the who thing both agreed he was being a dick. And mentioned that he could use dicretion not to inform me but to rub it in that he was sending me to the state ref and I was going to have to pay.
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Do you think that officers have a choice if they want to take a call? Dispatchers know where every officer is and when there is a call for service, the closest or more available officer is dispatched to the call. It's simple.
I guess you would rather have them pulling people over for lame violations just because there are no calls for service. You can't have both.
I guess you would rather have them pulling people over for lame violations just because there are no calls for service. You can't have both.
09-17-07, 05:50 PM
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Do you think that officers have a choice if they want to take a call? Dispatchers know where every officer is and when there is a call for service, the closest or more available officer is dispatched to the call. It's simple.
I guess you would rather have them pulling people over for lame violations just because there are no calls for service. You can't have both.
I guess you would rather have them pulling people over for lame violations just because there are no calls for service. You can't have both.
Well I think that there needs to be more patrolling considering we have the nation's top homicide rate rather than drinking coffee and shooting the **** with fellow cops for several hours.
My whole point was some cops are lazy, you proved my point with the whole court thing they have to go to. And more importantly you cannot deny that alot abuse their powers due to the fact that they have a friggin badge. They park where they want, they'll beat who they want, etc. And you're not allowed to question them on why you get pulled over....thats retarded, for fear of them issuing the citation because u didn't lick their ***** and smile while u are doing it....
09-17-07, 06:08 PM
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I have a few very good friends who are police officers. They do joke around and bend the laws, but they know their limits. The best part is that I get to MMA with them, so in essence I get to hit sheriffs without getting punished.
As far as being 30 and not getting pulled over, that's not true. My cousin has an STI with an HKS exhaust. He's 31 and his exhaust is loud, so yes, every now and then he gets looks.
As far as police officers go, the easier you make their job, the more lenient they are. The last time I was pulled over for a loud exhaust, the officer asked me if I had modified the engine. I said yes, and he asked me to pop the hood. I popped it and he looked it over with a flashlight. I gave him my CARB EO sticker for my intake. He asked me why it wasn't on the intake, and then corrected himself by realizing I didn't want to put the sticker on because it could peel off and I'd lose it. In the end he told me to have a good night, no ticket.
I do agree that the officer was being a dick. He did have a reason to pull you over and it sucks *****. The only thing you can do is just go along with everything. I've heard that it's even better to just do a trial by written decleration because the officer has to do the same, and they usually don't like to have to do that. I don't know, Fumanchu could probably shed more light on the situation.
As far as being 30 and not getting pulled over, that's not true. My cousin has an STI with an HKS exhaust. He's 31 and his exhaust is loud, so yes, every now and then he gets looks.
As far as police officers go, the easier you make their job, the more lenient they are. The last time I was pulled over for a loud exhaust, the officer asked me if I had modified the engine. I said yes, and he asked me to pop the hood. I popped it and he looked it over with a flashlight. I gave him my CARB EO sticker for my intake. He asked me why it wasn't on the intake, and then corrected himself by realizing I didn't want to put the sticker on because it could peel off and I'd lose it. In the end he told me to have a good night, no ticket.
I do agree that the officer was being a dick. He did have a reason to pull you over and it sucks *****. The only thing you can do is just go along with everything. I've heard that it's even better to just do a trial by written decleration because the officer has to do the same, and they usually don't like to have to do that. I don't know, Fumanchu could probably shed more light on the situation.
09-17-07, 06:22 PM
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^ yeahh... you've got to be respectful and polite to someone who has "power" over you, and yet, they [still] write you the darn ticket... SUCKS!!!
every person "pulled over for nothing" (did not violate any TRAFFIC laws), will feel like they do NOT deserve a ticket, but to come and think about, the second that "illegal modification" had been installed is when the car becomes "ticket worthy"...
like i stated earlier... just HOPE that a cop car will never end up behind ya... if you ask me, it's just LUCK...
you my friend... on the night you got pulled over... had a bitter taste of "bad luck".
cops.... who really likes them? they are doing a job that NO ONE would like to do, and in order for them to like it, they have to have "that certain" mentality... tickets, on the other hand, help FUND the force in a way, and you'd figure the MORE they hand out, the more SECURE their job will be...
i'm sure EVERY cop will let a few slide, and it's just TOO BAD if they don't let yours pass... and to better your chances of being "off the hook" is to be as polite and cooperative as possible...
i was pulled over once for my exhaust, and the cop asked me to pop my hood. i willingly did so... he then asked if i "race" and i immediately knew exactly what to say: "i only keep it on the track SIR, i'd never want to endanger anyone's life by racing on the streets." and *WALLA*... he didn't even tell me to "fix" my exhaust or anything, he simply said, "don't let me catch you racing, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT."
i was thrilled! i only hope that if i ever experience getting pulled over again, that it would go as smoothly as that
every person "pulled over for nothing" (did not violate any TRAFFIC laws), will feel like they do NOT deserve a ticket, but to come and think about, the second that "illegal modification" had been installed is when the car becomes "ticket worthy"...
like i stated earlier... just HOPE that a cop car will never end up behind ya... if you ask me, it's just LUCK...
you my friend... on the night you got pulled over... had a bitter taste of "bad luck".
cops.... who really likes them? they are doing a job that NO ONE would like to do, and in order for them to like it, they have to have "that certain" mentality... tickets, on the other hand, help FUND the force in a way, and you'd figure the MORE they hand out, the more SECURE their job will be...
i'm sure EVERY cop will let a few slide, and it's just TOO BAD if they don't let yours pass... and to better your chances of being "off the hook" is to be as polite and cooperative as possible...
i was pulled over once for my exhaust, and the cop asked me to pop my hood. i willingly did so... he then asked if i "race" and i immediately knew exactly what to say: "i only keep it on the track SIR, i'd never want to endanger anyone's life by racing on the streets." and *WALLA*... he didn't even tell me to "fix" my exhaust or anything, he simply said, "don't let me catch you racing, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT."
i was thrilled! i only hope that if i ever experience getting pulled over again, that it would go as smoothly as that
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Well I think that there needs to be more patrolling considering we have the nation's top homicide rate rather than drinking coffee and shooting the **** with fellow cops for several hours.
My whole point was some cops are lazy, you proved my point with the whole court thing they have to go to. And more importantly you cannot deny that alot abuse their powers due to the fact that they have a friggin badge. They park where they want, they'll beat who they want, etc. And you're not allowed to question them on why you get pulled over....thats retarded, for fear of them issuing the citation because u didn't lick their ***** and smile while u are doing it....
My whole point was some cops are lazy, you proved my point with the whole court thing they have to go to. And more importantly you cannot deny that alot abuse their powers due to the fact that they have a friggin badge. They park where they want, they'll beat who they want, etc. And you're not allowed to question them on why you get pulled over....thats retarded, for fear of them issuing the citation because u didn't lick their ***** and smile while u are doing it....
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Don't forget there is no such thing as a quota, but officers are required to meet a certain expectation when it comes to tickets. The reason why most officers tend to be dicks is because they have to be. They are lied to, to thier face by almost everyone they pull over. They have to show you that they are in control, not you. I remember another instance when I got pulled over, the officer was a dick, but his attitude towards me did an about face when he talked to me more and I was cooperative with him.
Sorry to hear about what happend, but ePH C freak is right, you got hit with some bad luck.
Sorry to hear about what happend, but ePH C freak is right, you got hit with some bad luck.
09-17-07, 08:23 PM
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09-17-07, 08:36 PM
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Um yeah actually it does, if officers where to patrol areas more offend and consitantly people wouldnt think they can get away with it if they felt a presence from the police. Not saying all cops but a lot of cops would rather go meet up with another cop at Starbucks, Togos, Baggle Shop or drive around giving traffic tickets hoping they run itno an easy bust then go out and find the criminals and put themselves in harms way it is "just a job" to most of them. But with that i do have to give credit where credit is due and there are those that take that job serious and do go to work with an inttention to make a difference not just collect a pay check and bacasue of those cops I respect all police officers that pull me over unless they prove to be the other type i dispise, which I beleive mine was. Fumanchu hopefully your one of the ones that cares to make a differance and isnt just there to collect a paycheck.
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09-17-07, 09:30 PM
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LOL I heard that my freind has been trying to get me to apply for about the past 8 months. Hes doing pretty well. He just got called back to the airforce stupid guy told them he would do reserves two years out and right before he got out they called him back in for 9 months. Been gone about 2 months now I feel sorry for him.
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