GB: Full Function Engineering Crank Trigger Kits - S4, S5, and RE 13B's
03-17-11, 11:08 AM
#26
Interesting. Problem is I have the A/C. Wonder if the A/C bracket can be cut/modified to fit over your bracket?
So right now there is no recommended settings from haltech? This would go on my 10th AE with Autronic 500R. Currently sold the E8 and purchasing the PS2000.....
So subscribed!
Also I have the racing beat pulley. Would be nice to know this would work with this kit...
Ian
So right now there is no recommended settings from haltech? This would go on my 10th AE with Autronic 500R. Currently sold the E8 and purchasing the PS2000.....
So subscribed!
Also I have the racing beat pulley. Would be nice to know this would work with this kit...
Ian
03-17-11, 12:32 PM
#28
Interesting. Problem is I have the A/C. Wonder if the A/C bracket can be cut/modified to fit over your bracket?
So right now there is no recommended settings from haltech? This would go on my 10th AE with Autronic 500R. Currently sold the E8 and purchasing the PS2000.....
So subscribed!
Also I have the racing beat pulley. Would be nice to know this would work with this kit...
Ian
So right now there is no recommended settings from haltech? This would go on my 10th AE with Autronic 500R. Currently sold the E8 and purchasing the PS2000.....
So subscribed!
Also I have the racing beat pulley. Would be nice to know this would work with this kit...
Ian
We don't have an AC setup here to try it out on. FYI, the block side of the sensor bracket is 3/8" thick, so.. theoretically you could machine 3/8" off of the A/C bracket and it could potentially work if the belt clears the sensor, but this is speculation w/o having done it.
If you have Racing Beat pulley 11469, it will work (just bolted one up to try it). There is a slight difference in the fact that racing beat pulley has four symmetric holes instead of one being keyed like the stock pulley/hub. This means that the trigger wheel can be installed 90/180/-90 out of phase if the installer is not careful, whereas the the stock pulley disallows wrong installation. LMK if you have other questions on the RB pulley topic.
To those with new Haltechs:
Just to clear things up on the Haltech issue. The Sprint RE, PS 1000/2000 DOES support a two rotor with our current 36 tooth renesis wheel so there is no issue there. The issue is that it does NOT support a 3 rotor with anything other than stock trigger (CAS). The code is already written for 36-1, 36-2, 60-1, 60-2 wheels and the option is available for selection on rotary engines (ps1k/2k) but haltech lists those wheel combos as being for piston engines only. All they have to do is change it to half cycle instead of full cycle and it will work with rotaries. It's really a simple fix in the software they just have to have a reason to do it (customers).
We would have no problem sending them a trigger kit that already has all of the timing (teeth/home placement, etc) sorted out if they need some sort of reassurance or proof.. So if enough emails are sent to haltech saying to enable motronic (36-2, 60-2) wheels as a rotary option they can just update the software and be done with it (thats the hope anyway)..
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03-17-11, 01:56 PM
#29
Ian,
We don't have an AC setup here to try it out on. FYI, the block side of the sensor bracket is 3/8" thick, so.. theoretically you could machine 3/8" off of the A/C bracket and it could potentially work if the belt clears the sensor, but this is speculation w/o having done it.
If you have Racing Beat pulley 11469, it will work (just bolted one up to try it). There is a slight difference in the fact that racing beat pulley has four symmetric holes instead of one being keyed like the stock pulley/hub. This means that the trigger wheel can be installed 90/180/-90 out of phase if the installer is not careful, whereas the the stock pulley disallows wrong installation. LMK if you have other questions on the RB pulley topic.
To those with new Haltechs:
Just to clear things up on the Haltech issue. The Sprint RE, PS 1000/2000 DOES support a two rotor with our current 36 tooth renesis wheel so there is no issue there. The issue is that it does NOT support a 3 rotor with anything other than stock trigger (CAS). The code is already written for 36-1, 36-2, 60-1, 60-2 wheels and the option is available for selection on rotary engines (ps1k/2k) but haltech lists those wheel combos as being for piston engines only. All they have to do is change it to half cycle instead of full cycle and it will work with rotaries. It's really a simple fix in the software they just have to have a reason to do it (customers).
We would have no problem sending them a trigger kit that already has all of the timing (teeth/home placement, etc) sorted out if they need some sort of reassurance or proof.. So if enough emails are sent to haltech saying to enable motronic (36-2, 60-2) wheels as a rotary option they can just update the software and be done with it (thats the hope anyway)..
We don't have an AC setup here to try it out on. FYI, the block side of the sensor bracket is 3/8" thick, so.. theoretically you could machine 3/8" off of the A/C bracket and it could potentially work if the belt clears the sensor, but this is speculation w/o having done it.
If you have Racing Beat pulley 11469, it will work (just bolted one up to try it). There is a slight difference in the fact that racing beat pulley has four symmetric holes instead of one being keyed like the stock pulley/hub. This means that the trigger wheel can be installed 90/180/-90 out of phase if the installer is not careful, whereas the the stock pulley disallows wrong installation. LMK if you have other questions on the RB pulley topic.
To those with new Haltechs:
Just to clear things up on the Haltech issue. The Sprint RE, PS 1000/2000 DOES support a two rotor with our current 36 tooth renesis wheel so there is no issue there. The issue is that it does NOT support a 3 rotor with anything other than stock trigger (CAS). The code is already written for 36-1, 36-2, 60-1, 60-2 wheels and the option is available for selection on rotary engines (ps1k/2k) but haltech lists those wheel combos as being for piston engines only. All they have to do is change it to half cycle instead of full cycle and it will work with rotaries. It's really a simple fix in the software they just have to have a reason to do it (customers).
We would have no problem sending them a trigger kit that already has all of the timing (teeth/home placement, etc) sorted out if they need some sort of reassurance or proof.. So if enough emails are sent to haltech saying to enable motronic (36-2, 60-2) wheels as a rotary option they can just update the software and be done with it (thats the hope anyway)..
03-17-11, 02:02 PM
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Send scott@haltech.com and email urging them to support us!
03-17-11, 07:47 PM
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Here is the answer from Haltech.
Hello Ian,
Rotary engines are not supported with these 36-1 triggers as there were never a standard option. I understand that you would like to change to one of these custom triggers as the 24+2 CAS is getting old now. Please keep in mind that the fastest and quickest rotary in the world still runs a standard CAS.
The best solution for your 2 rotor engine would be to mount an RX8 trigger disk. This will fit directly on your drive pulley (With the 4 standard nuts/bolts). You would use a Honeywell GT101 sensor as the pickup.
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
Hello Ian,
Rotary engines are not supported with these 36-1 triggers as there were never a standard option. I understand that you would like to change to one of these custom triggers as the 24+2 CAS is getting old now. Please keep in mind that the fastest and quickest rotary in the world still runs a standard CAS.
The best solution for your 2 rotor engine would be to mount an RX8 trigger disk. This will fit directly on your drive pulley (With the 4 standard nuts/bolts). You would use a Honeywell GT101 sensor as the pickup.
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
03-18-11, 05:12 AM
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I just got my kit from them and jay this week and AND ******* WOW...i love it!!!great job great product great communication fast shipping...took a little longer than expected but none the less i was patient and the end result was awesome thank you again Jay i love the items and the product as a whole thank you!!!!
03-18-11, 06:31 AM
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Are there any plans to make this compatible with AC and PS? I may just get one for my REW and see if I can come up with a workaround. I drive in Atlanta traffic in the southern summer heat. I want to keep my PS and AC.
03-18-11, 09:40 AM
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Hello Ryan,
Crank triggering seems to be the buzzword this week in the Rotary fraternity!
The best solution for your setup would be using the Series 6 setup (12+1 on the water pump pulley). Setting up a custom "missing tooth" trigger is a poor idea most of the time on a rotary because of the invalid missing tooth location possibilities. We would prefer not to allow this option as it will result in difficulty for most users. I recommend the RX8 trigger disk on a 2 rotor and the 12+1 on a 3 or 4 rotor.
Please let me know if this is a suitable solution for you,
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
Crank triggering seems to be the buzzword this week in the Rotary fraternity!
The best solution for your setup would be using the Series 6 setup (12+1 on the water pump pulley). Setting up a custom "missing tooth" trigger is a poor idea most of the time on a rotary because of the invalid missing tooth location possibilities. We would prefer not to allow this option as it will result in difficulty for most users. I recommend the RX8 trigger disk on a 2 rotor and the 12+1 on a 3 or 4 rotor.
Please let me know if this is a suitable solution for you,
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
03-19-11, 10:47 AM
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I believe so. Maybe it's just a personal problem I have, but I am frustrated when an organization feels like they need to protect the consumer from themselves. In doing so, they limit our ability to do as we wish and realize the potential that we'd like from our projects. I respect their position, however it's a silly one to hold when you're producing upper echelon ECUs for consumption by motorsports consumers.
My $0.02.
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EMAIL scott@haltech.com and tell him to let rotaries use whatever trigger they'd like!
. . . but seriously, email him. 
My $0.02.
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EMAIL scott@haltech.com and tell him to let rotaries use whatever trigger they'd like!
. . . but seriously, email him.
03-19-11, 01:26 PM
#39
Well went and looked at my A/C pump and it looks like that bracket would have to be at least half as thick to be able to cut it to fit this. Maybe mine is different since its a J-spec one that only has the A/C pump bracket as I removed the power steering. Wonder if I should just scrap the A/C. Nice to have it though
03-19-11, 07:38 PM
#40
I believe so. Maybe it's just a personal problem I have, but I am frustrated when an organization feels like they need to protect the consumer from themselves. In doing so, they limit our ability to do as we wish and realize the potential that we'd like from our projects. I respect their position, however it's a silly one to hold when you're producing upper echelon ECUs for consumption by motorsports consumers.
My $0.02.
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EMAIL scott@haltech.com and tell him to let rotaries use whatever trigger they'd like!
. . . but seriously, email him.
My $0.02.
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD EMAIL scott@haltech.com and tell him to let rotaries use whatever trigger they'd like!
. . . but seriously, email him. We'll find out more about the A/C bracket possibilities, but it won't be until May/June.
IAN, we're in phoenix so we definitely know about A/C, we just use summer to work on our cars instead of drive them lol.
03-21-11, 08:27 AM
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Hi Ryan,
You do put forward a good argument. And I do understand that the Mazdaspeed engine actually comes with a Motronic trigger as standard. I am going to put forward that we support this Mazdaspeed trigger (36-1), however please realize that this will take time, and as much I like rotaries is not going to be our first priority. We can both agree that we have to address each request on its urgency and effect on the more common user.
When there is any information on this I will let you know,
There is no hack you can do to allow your ECU to work with this trigger type - Please dont try!
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
You do put forward a good argument. And I do understand that the Mazdaspeed engine actually comes with a Motronic trigger as standard. I am going to put forward that we support this Mazdaspeed trigger (36-1), however please realize that this will take time, and as much I like rotaries is not going to be our first priority. We can both agree that we have to address each request on its urgency and effect on the more common user.
When there is any information on this I will let you know,
There is no hack you can do to allow your ECU to work with this trigger type - Please dont try!
If there is anything else we can do to help, please let me know.
Kind Regards,
Scott Hilzinger
Lead Technical Support
Email: scott@haltech.com
Web: www.haltech.com
03-25-11, 03:04 AM
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so just to clarify? it looks to me this trigger wheel is using the same configuration as the rx8 wheel? if so then any ecu with code for an rx8 will accept it?
how wide is the wheel? and dimensions of the teeth? i ask as im wondering wether it will work with a gt101 hall sensor?
cheers
cory
how wide is the wheel? and dimensions of the teeth? i ask as im wondering wether it will work with a gt101 hall sensor?
cheers
cory
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03-25-11, 03:07 PM
#47
Note to All:PLEASE READ ENTIRELY
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This gives everyone 3 weeks to figure out exactly what they need, get money together,etc.
These parts are already finished so will ship immediately following group buy end date and final payment.
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We are also offering a 5% additional discount to those who choose to pay via Check/Money Order!!!
Thank you
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Side Note
If you NEED/WANT your kit sooner than April you may pay at the current discounted rate (dependent on GB list length) and we will ship it immediately.
The Group Buy is ending Saturday April 16th.
This gives everyone 3 weeks to figure out exactly what they need, get money together,etc.
These parts are already finished so will ship immediately following group buy end date and final payment.
We would like a $50 minimum deposit via Paypal (snyper10x@msn.com) or Check/Money Order (pm/email for our address).
Along with deposit please include:
Full Name
Club Username
Full Shipping Address
Email or Phone #
Amount of deposit
Exact engine setup (i.e., engine model, main pulley, ECU)
Kit requested (FC/FD etc, color combination)
Options (i.e., Hall sensor, wheel tooth pattern, extra connector)
We are also offering a 5% additional discount to those who choose to pay via Check/Money Order!!!
Thank you
Full Function Engineering
Side Note
If you NEED/WANT your kit sooner than April you may pay at the current discounted rate (dependent on GB list length) and we will ship it immediately.
03-25-11, 03:21 PM
#48
so just to clarify? it looks to me this trigger wheel is using the same configuration as the rx8 wheel? if so then any ecu with code for an rx8 will accept it?
how wide is the wheel? and dimensions of the teeth? i ask as im wondering wether it will work with a gt101 hall sensor?
cheers
cory
how wide is the wheel? and dimensions of the teeth? i ask as im wondering wether it will work with a gt101 hall sensor?
cheers
cory
We have designed a Hall effect version around another sensor already.
03-25-11, 04:16 PM
#50
What color options are there? My engine bay color scheme is pretty easy. Flat Black and silver. If I get the dimensions for my gilmer pulley, would I be able to get one that will fit it? Or should I just count on having it for the stock 13B-RE pulley?
What's your payment information? If you prefer check/mo, I have no problem dropping one in the mail today. Otherwise, I can send paypal for the deposit today as well.
Thanks!
Frank
If I get the dimensions for my gilmer pulley, would I be able to get one that will fit it? Or should I just count on having it for the stock 13B-RE pulley?What's your payment information? If you prefer check/mo, I have no problem dropping one in the mail today. Otherwise, I can send paypal for the deposit today as well.
Thanks!
Frank