SSRx7

Oh yeah, just another little tidbit: The AC Cobra, which started out as the little Brittish sportscar with a little 4 banger, had a 428 Big Block Ford v8 in it. I think they also had 427's and 429's inthem, but I am not sure. But it was a BIG engine in a little car that went on to race many many road race circuit around the world. I very rarely heard about them being used for dragracing, but I believe that that car still holds the record for the 0-100-0mph run, I may be wrong. My point is. A big engine in a little car is not death to the car. It can be called a rebirth, if you will.

How about a Chevy Big Block in an MG?


Or how about this interesting little piece of work? Oh wait, you rotary purists would call this Sacrilige(Sp) So if it bothers you that much you wont want to see a rotory powered.... MG?


How about this innocent looking little car?

With its Rover V8?



Oh, this one is great for Rotary "impurists": A turborotary powered Suzuki Sidekick:




My point is just this. People don't understand how something will handle, perform, drive, etc. unless they try it. I am not trying to turn people against rotary engines. Far from it. I just try to open peoples eyes. Someone here told me that I would be changing the "sole" of a Toyota Corolla if I swapped my 12A into it. Why? because it didn't originate with a rotary engine? Because I can turn a mundane underpowered little car into a great handling little corner carver?

I say let the Sole Changing begin (Only if that is your cup of tea, like it is mine). I am not criticising your wanting to be the same. Just asking you not to criticize my wanting something different.

And for you open minded people out there, here is a neat little web site:
Little cars with Big engines

Later,
Bill

Elysian

i have the perfect solution... find a way to put the engine in the passenger seat! then u'll be balanced!

SSRx7

Man, that is the perfect solution!!! Then you can tune it as you drive!! Man nothing like adjusting your mixture and timing as you drive. Also, it would save weight because the exhaust is now shorter to the rear. Then what you can do is mount another fuel tank in the front where the engine used to sit and have a balance tube running between that one and the rear tank, so that no matter how much fuel you use, it will always be balanced front and rear, because the same amount will be in each tank.

Dude, that is a great idea!!
Later,
Bill

rotaryforlife

I Know we are the RX-7club.com- HOME OF ROTARY ENTHUSIASTS
not V8 enthusiasts

rotorhead15

dont put an LS1 into a 1st gen, you will *** the geometry of the car up and the front end will be very heavy and the handling will go out the window dont do it, you deserve to be shot if you do

SSRx7

The geometry?? I think you should study geometry a little more, and check out the facts before you speak. Why don't you just be like the rest of the guys and say something like
"I feel the rx7 should be kept rotary because that is the engine it was designed around and you will ruin its 'soul' if you change it." instead of showing that you really haven't taken the time to study up and see if the LS1 really will F**k up the geometry and handling of the car.

And, no-one deserves to be shot for putting a piston engine in a rotary powered car or vice versa.

There is nothing wrong with your belief that an rx7 should be kept rotary. That is your opinion. But stating something that you obvioulsy don't know squat about really does make you look.....well it makes you look like you are just angry that another person is mechanically intelligent and can do something with his brain, hands and tools.

1984special

^ werd

I own both. A bone stock GSL-SE and am building a 302 V8 GSL. I found an entire Mustang for $1100. I figure I can sell parts to earn some money back.

The question is, can anybody else find 225hp 300lbft torque in a stock rotary for less than $2k? And then smog it in CA?

When I picked up a non-running GSL last year, I figured I could replace the seals for under a grand. Turns out the housings were trash and I need a new motor. That's expensive and I still only end up with 100 hp! Could I smog a JDM motor? No. What good is a car if I can't drive it everyday? A v-8 is cost effective. I haven't driven a V-8 7, so I can't say for CERTAIN about the handling. However, I haven't seen any proof saying otherwise!

There's a whole lot of theory running around, and no solid calculations. You are welcome to put them up if you have it.

I guess in the end, it's like this.

The RX-7 is a car with a unique engine. It is still only a car, a car being something that moves people. If my car moves seriously fast for seriously cheap, it's fine in my book. If you did it "unconventionally", pat yourself on the back.


As for a LS1 T56 combo, more power to you if you can afford it. There's plenty of info out there, but you probably won't find it here. Grannys Speed Shop and torquecentral are the places to check. Good luck!

rotaryforlife

I guess some people can' t read.

Rx7Club.com - Home of Rotary Enthusiasts

You can't get any clearer than that.

pjr

iTrader: (8)

Valid point... once you start putting a V8 in a 7, it's no longer a rotary, but it becomes the same as any other light car with a V8 stuffed inside... Pinto, Vega, Anglia, 23 T bucket... it's all been done before.

A neighbor has a 454 Chevy in a 72 Beetle. Something tells me that he has different interests than the other guys on the air cooled engine forums!

SSRx7

I can read.

I guess from your post that you are implying that I am not a rotary enthusiast.

You are wrong. I am engine enthusiast. That includes rotary's. Unless you don't consider the rotory to be an engine......

Can't get any clearer than that.

SSRx7

Wait, I stand corrected. You are right. I can't read. But neither can you. I just checked and I have not found anywhere except in peoples posts where it said "Home of Rotary Enthusiasts." But I will go back and check all the pages to make sure.

Later,
Bill

cdrad51

Will this thread ever die?

RX7s are meant to have a rotary engine. If you wanna swap it with an airliner jet, be my guest. But go post in the rx7airlinejetswapclub.com, not here!

rotaryforlife

SSRX-7
I still consider that you are posting in wrong forum. I have done various rotary engine swaps, one most noticably Ford Ranger with 13b, t-72 turbo, ltx-8
and other goodies.
I would not post it the following forum :

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/forum/

You should feel at home in the following forum:

http://www.torquecentral.com/showthread.php?t=15167

SSRx7

Peace you guys. Actually, I am among others who have posted in this forum about weather or not to v8 or pistonise an rx7. Being that this thread was started about this subject , then aren't we All posting in the wrong forum??
I just keep posting about this because it is funny to see people all worked up about a subject. I mean, no matter what anyone else says or believes, we are all going to do what is our own idea of the right thing to do to our car.

We are all here because we love the rx7, alot of us because of the engine, alot of us because of the car itself, and alot of us because of both.
(I am still looking for the spot on this forum that officially states that is the "Home of the Rotary Enthusiasts )

I think that those of you who have gotten max power and dur..[cough-cough] durability (Just kidding!!!) out of the rotary engines have done a great job. I also applaud those who have customised their cars into works of art. And I applaud those who have the skill and knowhow to transplant other engines into the Rx7.

Kudos to everyone!!!



AND, finally, I didn't start this thread in the first place, I reponded to it, so I am Not posting in the wrong forum. I only "started 2 threads on this forum, one to show pics of my car and the other in the "other engines" section, where it , according to certain people here, belongs.

Oh, wait, this is finally:
I am here to have a good time, offer advise, if anyone wants or desires it, and generally have a good time. I don't know everything about everything and don't pretend to, nor, do I suspect does anyone else.

Nope, I guess this is finally:
But you have to wonder...... There sure does seem to be quite the interest in doing these swaps, doesn't there. I mean, I'm not the only one here who thinks it is cool.

FInally, LOL.
Later,
Bill.

treynon

thanks to you buddy!

rotor vs. piston

Why??

skrewloose78

you brought back a 3 page flame war for that?

Mazda12AGS

The only downside i see to doing the swap is:


1. Inless you know someone with a wrecked camaro, that motor and trans and PCM are gonna cost a ******* shitload.


2. Its gonna be a ton of fab work that you absolutely have to get perfect.

But if you are ready to do that then go for it

Nihilanthic

http://www.tacreationsusa.com/engines1.htm#LS1Pullouts

Yeah, a ******* shitload

Also, in an email to grant @ www.grannysspeedshop.com, guess what? he set up something for a LS1 to fit in a FB using his cradle. I dunno if he updated the site yet or not, but you could email him yourself.

At any rate mounts arent exactly super hard to do.

jimmdog

THis Kinda Retard stuff Is why I gave up on this site. Im gona put a v8 in my car, the rotary sounds like **** any how Sorry Rotor heads get over it HP Is Hp chevys are cheap

pjr

iTrader: (8)

JimDog, sounds like you're just trying to stir up things. This thread has been a good discussion on the pros and cons of a swap. If this little discussion offended you, then yeah, it's a good thing you "gave up on this site" because you're too thin skinned to hang here.

Nihilanthic

Or the rotards are too closed minded, stupid, and hateful?

pjr

iTrader: (8)

Hey N, that's a bit strong. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. There's two schools: the rotary putists and the hot rodders. If you want ot turn a rotary into a V8 hot rod, go for it. Takes a lot of hands-on fab work, time, and money. In the end you create a hybrid Mazda, marrying a Mazda body to an American muscle engine. Have fun!

Others prefer a more purist approach... maintaining the integrity of the rotary, which places the tiny but potent engine behind the axle platform for purer handling as the basis for a high reviin' and totally tossable sports car. The engine can easily be rebult for much more power than the original stock 12A, as the 13B can easily produce 300hp. Go for it and have fun!

Ain't a matter of hate... just preference.

Nihilanthic

Thats a bit strong... when someone comes in saying that we're all stupid rednecks, and accuses the v8 of being "primitve" (and totally ignoring how inefficient the rotary is all high up there on that pedistal) or gets VIOLENTLY MAD AT ME OVER IT, its *HATE*.

You, however, are not hateful. You are reasonable. You dont have an aneurism over carburated v8s, do you?

As far as handling and v8 swaps, its been addressed. Over and over again. Repeatedly! It doesnt change weight much, if at all, and doesnt change distribution much, if at all. High revs and less torque doesnt help handling unless youre unable to modulate the gas pedal... in other words its not the cars fault.

Also, its not a whole lot of hands on fab work, time, and money. Bolt in swap kids are available. Yeah you need to wire **** yourself if its EFI (hurr) and go to an exhaust shop, but thats not exactly terrible in terms of expense or effort. And no, the swaps dont cost insane amounts of money.

pjr

iTrader: (8)

I didn't see the HATE posts... were they deleted? If so, good. That's ******* stupid!

I love the V8... great engine! I've had a number of V8 Mustangs as daily drivers (94 hardtop, 95 ragtop auto, 99 ragtop, 01 ragtop). Nothiung better than a drop-top Mustang rumbling along on a warm summer day! And I'd do <almost> anything for a 63 thru 67 Corvette convertible.

However, I have no plans for a V8 in my FB. Other than the semi-rice, semi-old school wheels, I'm keeping it as original as possible. It's so clean and original it would be a crime to chop it up. Now, If I had a FC hardtop with a blown engine I'd might be thinking about a 302 swap <heh heh>.