7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

Hey, after reading all of the thread of pettit doing the 20b conversion, i decided to go back to 7's but definitely not with 20b..... LS1 is my new choice!!

How much is it really worth??

for example, lets say i buy this shell:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?c...p=y&cardist=741

Is there any difference between a camaro LS1 or a GTO LS1?
Which one you guys reccommend?
what else would i have to buy to get it done.

anyoe has any estimate cost?

Also, when i want to supercharge it, i will have to use a custom supercharger that fits the 7? or i will have to use the supercharger from the car i get the LS1 from?

Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

You'll be looking at a little under $10K for the LS1 purchase & install (doing the wrenching yourself).

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

10k? that would be with everything? I mean, from a completely empty shell to an LS1 engine with transmision with everything, motor mounts, oil pan, everything.
Anyone who did this before can give me any more details?
Does anyone knows is the west palm Pettit does this swap well?

Mdessouki

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https://www.rx7club.com/v-8-powered-rx-7s-299/ls1-fd-owners-how-much-did-you-spend-swap-385992/

Mdessouki

iTrader: (7)

double post

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

lol, i just finished reading all that post, btw, how the hell someone sold a clear title fd with new engine for 2k?? WTF

Mahjik

iTrader: (1)

If you are going to pay a shop to do it, you may as well add on another $2-3000 onto that number.

Most of the cost are going to depend on how much you can find an LS1 + tranny for... After that, it's just getting the Hinson stuff and going forth. PM "ebb" here on the forum. He's just about got his swap done and I think his cost are nearing around $9000 (but he's doing all of the wrenching on his side).

owen is fat

good choice!

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

lol, thx!!

Mdessouki

iTrader: (7)

getting a roller for your swap for arround 1-3k isnt that hard. Find a highly modded 7 and part out the drivetran and mods, youll get the majority of your money back, plus a highly moded single turbo will most likely be in better shape than a shell that you find for 5k.

blackkiller7

The swap has been priced out by quite a few people
mine was
car (after engine tranny, ect sold).....5000
all mounting fuel,wiring................ 3000
ls1 pull out............... 3500
extra stuff (nut bolts ect) 200
total...............11700
so that will get you a running ls1 fd mine was a little more because of the cam headers,heads, DP nitous and other stuff

88IntegraLS

Hmm, pretty affordable, about the cost of a stock FD in decent shape.

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

but, arent these selling for around 20k?

Evil Aviator

An FD? No, a good one sells for about 12K right now, as indicated by 88IntegraLS.

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

a good ls1 powered fd pushing like 480 hp and 500 tq, with perfect exterior.
how much u think it would sell?

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

take a look at this one selling for 24k...

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=400989

Evil Aviator

I think it would sell for about 30-50% less than it cost to build.

Sorry to nitpick, but I don't want any of the less-experienced car buyers on this forum confused. It is not selling for $24K, the seller is asking $24K OBO. There is a distinct difference between "asking" and "selling." Also note the "OBO" part of the asking price, which stands for "Or Best Offer". Once it sells, then that will be the selling price.

It is usually less expensive to buy somebody else's custom project than to make your own. If you like it, then make an offer.

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

i know it wont sell for 24, but it may be in the 20k range and you told me that it would sell for around 12k..

well, to get the numbers with an ls1 you just need an after cooled supercharger and a couple of grands more in extra stuff...
so i dunno why u say it would cost me more to build my own

ebb

What are you talking about?

He means 12k for a fd, not an ls1 fd. I think one (ls1 fd) sold 6 months back or so for 19k. This may be one case where the car may fetch more than it cost to build, but others for sale are not selling for 20k, high teens is quite possible.

Drop the supercharger for the ls1 fd. Turbocharging is the way to make huge power.

Evil Aviator

Why not offer him whatever you are willing to pay? He did say that it needed to be sold, and the worst that can happen is that he says no.

Because there is more to a car than a peak horsepower dyno number.

Yes, but you really need twin turbos to properly feed both banks of a V piston engine unless you are just building a drag car in which lag doesn't make as much difference. A supercharger is an inexpensive way to add some boost without the cost and complexity of a twin turbo setup, especially if the owner doesn't care about anything but producing x-amount of peak hp on the dyno.

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

maybe we are talking about different things, i am building my ls1 fd, i am not looking to buy one.
i said ls1 fd's sell around 20k and you said that they sell at the same price as a decent condition fd (12k)
maybe there was a misunderstanding, i just brought the fact of hp and tq just for you to think about how much "money can high hp and tq get you" ( LS1 powered FD 500+ hp and tq, BUY IT NOW and own a true supermachine) you get what im saying?

Mdessouki

iTrader: (7)

He ment a good condition stock fd sells for 12k, I saw a ls1 fd sell for 16k but if wasnt finished and was a steal, it was a bare basic swap at that. Whats all this crap about 500+ hp, finish the swap and then see if you realy need 200 exta hp. Most people wont and will be happy with 350rwhp. I dont think most people that are doing the ls1 swap care about peak hp.

owen is fat

depending on the condition of the car and the components and motor, any running FD whether LS1 or stock rotary TT could sell for anywhere from 5 grand to 30 grand. it depends on paint quality, drivetrain condition, suspension or wheel upgrades and how new the pieces are, what quality work and parts were used in the buildup or is it all stock stuff...

-you could build an LS1FD including the cost of the FD for $12k.
-you buy a well-running stock rotary TT FD for $12k.

either FD could be made into a supercar performer with super expensive wheels, suspension, exterior mods, widebody, etc. that make it worth two or three times that amount.

7777 Nepok 7777 -rx-

Is this all I need ls1 eng, trans, motor mounts (k-member, trans member, drive shaft, bump steer), radiator, headers?

Remember I have a completely empty shell.

Some other questions:
AC fits in there too?
Power steering fits?
What about ECU?
When thinking about supercharging it, a supercharger for a pontiac GTO or a camaro wouldnt fit there, or it would?
Would i need a custom supercharger?
Can I fit a FMIC??

wingsfan

You'll need wiring, the rest of the exhaust path completed (between the headers and catback), coolant and heater lines, etc., etc.
The compressor fits, but you'll need new lines, a new drier, a new condensor etc. as the GM system is r-134a, and your FD is likely R-12. And you'll have to wire it and add a relay. The Mazda and GM signals are different.

The pump assembly fits just fine, but you'll need a custom line to mate the PS pump to the rack. Some people think you need something to reduce the line pressure too, but I didn't do that.
GM unit all the way. Buy it with your drivetrain pullout
THe supercharger itself will fit, and the mounting bracket should work, everything else will need to be custom.
Nope, the headunits are the same regardless of platform.
Yes you can