Got my heads, and CAM specs
06-27-05, 11:23 PM
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Got my heads, and CAM specs
I got my 6.0 liter Patriot heads today. Wow! That is a serious intake port. The intake valves are huge as well. I will post pics tomarrow.
Here is the specs on the COMP CAM that I received. It was reccomended by the guys that did the heads. I told them that I wanted good drivabilty and a fair to good idle.
Lift: intake .595
exhaust .598
Duration at .006 tappet lift intake: 281, exhaust 283
Duration at .050 installed: intake: 232, exhaust 234
Am I ok with this CAM?
I also got the Jessel roller rockers. part number KSS307070, COMP CAMS lifters and the COMP CAMS hardened pushrods. And, a Roll Master double roller timing chain. Oh yea, and the electric water pump on the way. I am set up to be able to turn the engine to 7 grand.
So far, this is what I have on hand. I have the FAST 78mm t.b. intake, the new MSD coils, hamonic balancer and oil pump, on order.
I have also decided to use Hinson's long-tube headers.
Here is the specs on the COMP CAM that I received. It was reccomended by the guys that did the heads. I told them that I wanted good drivabilty and a fair to good idle.
Lift: intake .595
exhaust .598
Duration at .006 tappet lift intake: 281, exhaust 283
Duration at .050 installed: intake: 232, exhaust 234
Am I ok with this CAM?
I also got the Jessel roller rockers. part number KSS307070, COMP CAMS lifters and the COMP CAMS hardened pushrods. And, a Roll Master double roller timing chain. Oh yea, and the electric water pump on the way. I am set up to be able to turn the engine to 7 grand.
So far, this is what I have on hand. I have the FAST 78mm t.b. intake, the new MSD coils, hamonic balancer and oil pump, on order.
I have also decided to use Hinson's long-tube headers.
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Sounds good. What's the overlap on the cam (LSA?). With that much duration it's not going to have a stocklike idle, but it shouldn't be too radical. It should have some nice lope t it.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
06-28-05, 12:53 PM
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The MSD coils are a waste of $$$ IMO unless you are making big power. I made 440rwhp on stockers and others have made 480rwhp+ on stockers...
ASP underdrive pulley (harmonic balancer) is good. I run a March which is essentially the same.
I wouldn't spend the $$$ on a FAST 78... just get the FAST 90/90 if you are going to do it. If not the LS6 intake and ported stock TB is fine for 450rwhp or so and much cheaper. LS6 intakes used sell for $325 on ls1tech all the time. The FAST 90/90 is only worth 15-20rwhp.... for $1200+! Not a good bang for the buck.
JTR headers are the way to go.
ASP underdrive pulley (harmonic balancer) is good. I run a March which is essentially the same.
I wouldn't spend the $$$ on a FAST 78... just get the FAST 90/90 if you are going to do it. If not the LS6 intake and ported stock TB is fine for 450rwhp or so and much cheaper. LS6 intakes used sell for $325 on ls1tech all the time. The FAST 90/90 is only worth 15-20rwhp.... for $1200+! Not a good bang for the buck.
JTR headers are the way to go.
06-28-05, 11:12 PM
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Sounds good. What's the overlap on the cam (LSA?). I do not see a spec for LSA on the sheet.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Yes, they came with double springs rated to run to 7 grand. i cannot recall the brand, but they are supposed to be top notch.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
I am waiting on a leadtime on the headers from Hinson. Did he tell the people outright that there would be a long wait? I want to have this machine on the road by mid-August.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Yes, they came with double springs rated to run to 7 grand. i cannot recall the brand, but they are supposed to be top notch.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
I am waiting on a leadtime on the headers from Hinson. Did he tell the people outright that there would be a long wait? I want to have this machine on the road by mid-August.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
06-29-05, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zkeller
Yes, they came with double springs rated to run to 7 grand. i cannot recall the brand, but they are supposed to be top notch.
I am waiting on a leadtime on the headers from Hinson. Did he tell the people outright that there would be a long wait? I want to have this machine on the road by mid-August.
Whatever he tells you the lead time is...is irrelevant. They pretty much tell everyone the same thing. It's either "on the way", "in the mail", or "should be ready soon". Some people are lucky and they get their stuff before he says they will (few and far between), and some people wait months for simple parts (like a "custom" radiator, or some fuel system fittings.
At least he's not a crook. People genereally get what they paid for from him, but it can be super frustrating at times. They seem to be really good at turning around the engine cradles and other mounting equipment in a timely fashion. If you can piece together the other systems of the car yourself, that's what I'd suggest.
Having it running by mid August is pretty optimistic, especially if you don't already have all your HSC parts. here's hoping that your experience is better than others have been. I don't want to come across as too critical of them. Their parts do work, I just won't be using them to source any parts any time soon.
The JTR headers are nice. I owned a set for a brief time, but never got to run them. I ditched them when I decided to go with a single turbo setup.
Thanks for the info! Again.
06-29-05, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zkeller
I got my 6.0 liter Patriot heads today. Wow! That is a serious intake port. The intake valves are huge as well. I will post pics tomarrow.
Here is the specs on the COMP CAM that I received. It was reccomended by the guys that did the heads. I told them that I wanted good drivabilty and a fair to good idle.
Lift: intake .595
exhaust .598
Duration at .006 tappet lift intake: 281, exhaust 283
Duration at .050 installed: intake: 232, exhaust 234
Am I ok with this CAM?
I also got the Jessel roller rockers. part number KSS307070, COMP CAMS lifters and the COMP CAMS hardened pushrods. And, a Roll Master double roller timing chain. Oh yea, and the electric water pump on the way. I am set up to be able to turn the engine to 7 grand.
So far, this is what I have on hand. I have the FAST 78mm t.b. intake, the new MSD coils, hamonic balancer and oil pump, on order.
I have also decided to use Hinson's long-tube headers.
Here is the specs on the COMP CAM that I received. It was reccomended by the guys that did the heads. I told them that I wanted good drivabilty and a fair to good idle.
Lift: intake .595
exhaust .598
Duration at .006 tappet lift intake: 281, exhaust 283
Duration at .050 installed: intake: 232, exhaust 234
Am I ok with this CAM?
I also got the Jessel roller rockers. part number KSS307070, COMP CAMS lifters and the COMP CAMS hardened pushrods. And, a Roll Master double roller timing chain. Oh yea, and the electric water pump on the way. I am set up to be able to turn the engine to 7 grand.
So far, this is what I have on hand. I have the FAST 78mm t.b. intake, the new MSD coils, hamonic balancer and oil pump, on order.
I have also decided to use Hinson's long-tube headers.
Originally Posted by wingsfan
Sounds good. What's the overlap on the cam (LSA?). With that much duration it's not going to have a stocklike idle, but it shouldn't be too radical. It should have some nice lope t it.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
Do the patriot heads come with upgraded springs? With that much lift you'll need them. A double spring wouldn't be a bad idea.
Hope you're prepared to wait on those headers though. Unless things have changed, some people waited for over a year for those before they gave up. Fortunately the JTR headers are readily available now. It didn't used to be the case.
https://shell7.tdl.com/~jags/Pages/P...7-Headers.html
They're on the shelf and erady to go. Turn around time is about a week, which only slightly beats a year's worth of empty promises.
Does anyone know if the JTR headers are smogable? Also, which company did you guys send the wiring harness too? Hinson or Speartech or etc and what was the turn around time.
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06-29-05, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by audiobot7
Does anyone know if the JTR headers are smogable?
Also, which company did you guys send the wiring harness too? Hinson or Speartech or etc and what was the turn around time.
06-29-05, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wingsfan
Technincally, no they're not legal for anything but off road use. I know in TX that they wouldn't care, so it will depend on your state.
I did my own wiring. It's not that tough at all.
I did my own wiring. It's not that tough at all.
I tried looking on torquecentral today, but unfortunately the server is down. Also, last question
I know some guys use the wilwood m/c w/ the 7/8 bore and modify the steel braided line. Should I buy the one with the reservior or the one w/o? 
06-29-05, 09:42 PM
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I love wasting money. I wasted alot of money on rotor housing and rotors through the years.
I had a LS6 intake manifold but sold it when I bought the Holley one. I sold the Holley one after reading and hearing about the heat soak issues.
I wasted alot of money on rotor housing and rotors through the years. I had a LS6 intake manifold but sold it when I bought the Holley one. I sold the Holley one after reading and hearing about the heat soak issues.
Originally Posted by gnx7
The MSD coils are a waste of $$$ IMO unless you are making big power. I made 440rwhp on stockers and others have made 480rwhp+ on stockers...
ASP underdrive pulley (harmonic balancer) is good. I run a March which is essentially the same.
I wouldn't spend the $$$ on a FAST 78... just get the FAST 90/90 if you are going to do it. If not the LS6 intake and ported stock TB is fine for 450rwhp or so and much cheaper. LS6 intakes used sell for $325 on ls1tech all the time. The FAST 90/90 is only worth 15-20rwhp.... for $1200+! Not a good bang for the buck.
JTR headers are the way to go.
ASP underdrive pulley (harmonic balancer) is good. I run a March which is essentially the same.
I wouldn't spend the $$$ on a FAST 78... just get the FAST 90/90 if you are going to do it. If not the LS6 intake and ported stock TB is fine for 450rwhp or so and much cheaper. LS6 intakes used sell for $325 on ls1tech all the time. The FAST 90/90 is only worth 15-20rwhp.... for $1200+! Not a good bang for the buck.
JTR headers are the way to go.
06-29-05, 09:48 PM
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Cool, you're good to go in that area then
Brian must have told me n"next week" or "next month" a dozen or so times before I completely gave up.
Whatever he tells you the lead time is...is irrelevant. They pretty much tell everyone the same thing. It's either "on the way", "in the mail", or "should be ready soon". Some people are lucky and they get their stuff before he says they will (few and far between), and some people wait months for simple parts (like a "custom" radiator, or some fuel system fittings.
Having it running by mid August is pretty optimistic, especially if you don't already have all your HSC parts. here's hoping that your experience is better than others have been. I don't want to come across as too critical of them. Their parts do work, I just won't be using them to source any parts any time soon.
The JTR headers are nice. I owned a set for a brief time, but never got to run them. I ditched them when I decided to go with a single turbo setup.
No problem.
Brian must have told me n"next week" or "next month" a dozen or so times before I completely gave up.
Whatever he tells you the lead time is...is irrelevant. They pretty much tell everyone the same thing. It's either "on the way", "in the mail", or "should be ready soon". Some people are lucky and they get their stuff before he says they will (few and far between), and some people wait months for simple parts (like a "custom" radiator, or some fuel system fittings.
Having it running by mid August is pretty optimistic, especially if you don't already have all your HSC parts. here's hoping that your experience is better than others have been. I don't want to come across as too critical of them. Their parts do work, I just won't be using them to source any parts any time soon.
The JTR headers are nice. I owned a set for a brief time, but never got to run them. I ditched them when I decided to go with a single turbo setup.
No problem.
06-29-05, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zkeller
Brian sent me an email that all my stuff, including the headers, will ship within the next 6 to 8 weeks. Maybe they changed their manufacturing process since you did your car? He said that they are hammering out two sets of mounting equipment a week.
The mounting equipment I believe, it's the other stuff I'd be worried about. They have a poor track record with things like the cooling and fuel systems.
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I emailed brian yesterday asking about the cooling system and this is what got.
We would be happy to take care of your remaining subsystems. We are working on a back order of at least four weeks for these parts. We suggest to all of our customers that you order early to avoid any unnecessary delays.
California smog has been passed by many of our customers. We can put you in touch with some of them and get you headed in the right direction.
Your driveshaft had to be made and is scheduled to ship tomorrow.
Let us know if you have any questions.
We would be happy to take care of your remaining subsystems. We are working on a back order of at least four weeks for these parts. We suggest to all of our customers that you order early to avoid any unnecessary delays.
California smog has been passed by many of our customers. We can put you in touch with some of them and get you headed in the right direction.
Your driveshaft had to be made and is scheduled to ship tomorrow.
Let us know if you have any questions.
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Cool, thanks. I guess Ill use the stock exhaust manifold for now.
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Originally Posted by audiobot7
Cool, thanks. I guess Ill use the stock exhaust manifold for now.
I tried looking on torquecentral today, but unfortunately the server is down. Also, last question I know some guys use the wilwood m/c w/ the 7/8 bore and modify the steel braided line. Should I buy the one with the reservior or the one w/o?
I tried looking on torquecentral today, but unfortunately the server is down. Also, last question
I know some guys use the wilwood m/c w/ the 7/8 bore and modify the steel braided line. Should I buy the one with the reservior or the one w/o?
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I am currently getting parts together for the swap. As far as headers are concerned, if not the JTR headers...which ones are really good that I can just order. I mean, will shorties for the LS1 definitely fit the swap?
Also, my current situation is one that I really don't have the time to do anything but bring the car to hinson to be built. Just dont have the time any other way working 70 hrs a week sometimes. That being said, the engine I have is not fully built (meaning the heads/intake/accessories need to be put on) and I was thinking of just bring it down as it is and having him them do the final assembly on the engine as well. My question is, if I go this route am I in for a crap storm, or just a long wait for the car? Long wait I can deal with! Them not being able to put the engine together would be very bad. At least on that engine they dont have to do the internals...just bolt everything back on.
Let me know what u guys think
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I am currently getting parts together for the swap. As far as headers are concerned, if not the JTR headers...which ones are really good that I can just order. I mean, will shorties for the LS1 definitely fit the swap?
Also, my current situation is one that I really don't have the time to do anything but bring the car to hinson to be built. Just dont have the time any other way working 70 hrs a week sometimes. That being said, the engine I have is not fully built (meaning the heads/intake/accessories need to be put on) and I was thinking of just bring it down as it is and having him them do the final assembly on the engine as well. My question is, if I go this route am I in for a crap storm, or just a long wait for the car? Long wait I can deal with! Them not being able to put the engine together would be very bad. At least on that engine they dont have to do the internals...just bolt everything back on.
Let me know what u guys think
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They are fully capable of bolting the heads and stuff on. I would say most anyone that has the time to do it and a torque wrench can install those simple things. Timeframe..at least Brian is telling people a decent lead time. Quality.. their stuff is pretty good
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Originally Posted by joeclams9
As far as headers are concerned, if not the JTR headers...which ones are really good that I can just order. I mean, will shorties for the LS1 definitely fit the swap?
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Ok...sounds good guys. Yeah I realize with a tq wrench I could do it myself, but like i said, my two limiting factors are A) no garage space for a long project, and B) No time to do it, or should I say that I want it done in less then a year. That being said, my best bet is just to bring the assembled longblock and the accessories down to them along with the car and let them finish it when they finish it.
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07-01-05, 09:26 PM
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Ok...sounds good guys. Yeah I realize with a tq wrench I could do it myself, but like i said, my two limiting factors are A) no garage space for a long project, and B) No time to do it, or should I say that I want it done in less then a year. That being said, my best bet is just to bring the assembled longblock and the accessories down to them along with the car and let them finish it when they finish it.
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As long as you are in no hurry I guess that would work. Brian seems like a straight shooter and he's definitely knowledgable enough about the swap. Just be prepared to wait a while and shell out a decent chunk of change. Good luck with your project.
Zach,
All I have to say is that those heads are sick man.
-Thanks again, I'll call or PM you about the coils once I get my ducks in a row with everything else that's going on with the sale of my blue car and remaining parts.
07-05-05, 05:58 PM
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Just to give an approximate baseline for those interested in buying Hinson parts. I payed for my Hinson mounting equipment in Late May and it looks like I'm not going to have anything until Early August, and that's beeing extremely optimistic. If anyone is contemplating doing a Hinson LS conversion I strongly recommend that you get your payment in right away and worry about the logistics later. If worse comes to worse and you change your mind you can always sell your spot on the waiting list.
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Wanklin,
Totally understood. Even if I brought my car down in august and it wasn't done until January or February I could live with that. Do you think that that is too optimistic on my part?
Joe
Totally understood. Even if I brought my car down in august and it wasn't done until January or February I could live with that. Do you think that that is too optimistic on my part?
Joe
07-05-05, 08:43 PM
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I guess there's one way to find out.... I would probably put your parts order in now then bring your car in to their shop once the parts are fabricated and on hand. I see no reason why they couldn't bust it out within a month if all the parts were on hand. This is all just theory ofcourse ;o)
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