Ford / Lincoln 4.6 DOHC
08-10-05, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by capn
i said MY 4.6 i was refering to the Northstar engine which as listed wieghs 464lbs
and you said 650lbs in your original post and the engine is 576, i think 74lbs is more then just an oversight. and in that list is a DOHC motor that is 464 lbs also. but out of curiosity i want to know whats making that extra 100 pounds in the last motor?
Ford 4.6 DOHC 464 (72) 9 pounds lighter than SOHC
Ford 4.6 DOHC 437 (77) w/o accessories
Ford 4.6 DOHC 521 (94) aluminum block and heads
Ford 4.6 DOHC 576 (168) Mustang
and i guess i am mistaken on the width of a 302
and you said 650lbs in your original post and the engine is 576, i think 74lbs is more then just an oversight. and in that list is a DOHC motor that is 464 lbs also. but out of curiosity i want to know whats making that extra 100 pounds in the last motor?
Ford 4.6 DOHC 464 (72) 9 pounds lighter than SOHC
Ford 4.6 DOHC 437 (77) w/o accessories
Ford 4.6 DOHC 521 (94) aluminum block and heads
Ford 4.6 DOHC 576 (168) Mustang
and i guess i am mistaken on the width of a 302
Well I don't know ***** about the Northstar engines other than they are a pretty sweet engine with a ton of potential. But the DOHC Mach 1 engine is 614 lbs per Ford. Granted it's a iron block engine. The aluminum version is lighter. But that's pretty friggin' close to 650lbs. I said "like 650 lbs" speaking from memory which is never perfect. The 460 is actually closer to 720 lbs.
As for 464 lbs...I bet dollars to donuts that's without accesories or a flywheel/flexplate or exhaust.
08-11-05, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tjm73
Well I don't know ***** about the Northstar engines other than they are a pretty sweet engine with a ton of potential. But the DOHC Mach 1 engine is 614 lbs per Ford. Granted it's a iron block engine. The aluminum version is lighter. But that's pretty friggin' close to 650lbs. I said "like 650 lbs" speaking from memory which is never perfect. The 460 is actually closer to 720 lbs.
As for 464 lbs...I bet dollars to donuts that's without accesories or a flywheel/flexplate or exhaust.
As for 464 lbs...I bet dollars to donuts that's without accesories or a flywheel/flexplate or exhaust.
08-11-05, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by capn
well as per that site a northstar is 404 bare, 464 dressed
I remember seeing dress up items in Hot Rod once. and something about a transmission adapetor.
That's a pretty light weight engine.
08-11-05, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tjm73
What kind of performance parts are out for the Northstar? Carb intake? Ignition? Blowers?
I remember seeing dress up items in Hot Rod once. and something about a transmission adapetor.
That's a pretty light weight engine.
I remember seeing dress up items in Hot Rod once. and something about a transmission adapetor.
That's a pretty light weight engine.
08-11-05, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by capn
the posibilities are endless.... www.chrfab.com that one site is where i am getting ALL of my stuff to build up my northstar, and no where else
Cool stuff.
12-29-05, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by snub disphenoid
Pretty much stick with a pushrod engine. The modular Fords are great for making big power, but they're gargantuan. The 302 is actually a really tiny motor, and it fits well in an RX7's engine bay.
http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/2...dunderhood.jpg
302s are decent motors with cheap parts and a huge aftermarket, but a poorly matched transmission is what ruins that idea for me. The T-5 has bad gear ratios for a 4.11 rear end, and also has a maximum torque capacity of 300 ft-lbs.
http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/2...dunderhood.jpg
302s are decent motors with cheap parts and a huge aftermarket, but a poorly matched transmission is what ruins that idea for me. The T-5 has bad gear ratios for a 4.11 rear end, and also has a maximum torque capacity of 300 ft-lbs.
Bwahahahahaha, man this is great, I'm coming out of the closet guys! Picked up an 89 5.0 from a crown vic the other day, tore it down and man it looks good. Time to go shopping for aluminum heads, new pistons, etcc.... What a tiny engine, it almost looks like a rotary.
The rotary is officially out of my life. Anyone want a large street ported 6 port in good running condition?
12-29-05, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by capn
the posibilities are endless.... www.chrfab.com that one site is where i am getting ALL of my stuff to build up my northstar, and no where else
12-29-05, 10:02 PM
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You can mount a T-56 to a 302 with the right bellhousing.
Not sure about input shafts, but thats fixable too. ****, Ive seen T-56s mounted up to 2.3Ts with a v8 bellhousing.
Regardless, the T-5 isnt THAT weak - just get a good shifter so you dont bend a rod in the transmission and just dont beat on it, it will last. And Uh... v8s have pretty big powerbands, the gearing isnt really that bad.
But yeah, 302s are not bad motors! If I wasnt going with the 2.3T Id be going with one unless I could get my haggling skills up to snuff and go snag one of those supercheap LS1s... you bastards.
Not sure about input shafts, but thats fixable too. ****, Ive seen T-56s mounted up to 2.3Ts with a v8 bellhousing.
Regardless, the T-5 isnt THAT weak - just get a good shifter so you dont bend a rod in the transmission and just dont beat on it, it will last. And Uh... v8s have pretty big powerbands, the gearing isnt really that bad.
But yeah, 302s are not bad motors! If I wasnt going with the 2.3T Id be going with one unless I could get my haggling skills up to snuff and go snag one of those supercheap LS1s... you bastards.
01-01-06, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aussiesmg
What transmission are you running behind the Northstar, I like that idea, I'm starting to think of a Northstar FB......
01-01-06, 05:32 PM
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Im going to be using a version of the T-5, IIRC its a tremec 3556 or something like that it can handle 500ft/lbs and is a very nice 5spd to mate with the Northstar's powerband. The tranny comes off of the Cobra R models, and is labeled "HD". so for $1600 this better be a damn good tranny.
01-01-06, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bodyshield
i dont know what yall are smoking but i own a lincoln towncar (car with the DOHC 4.6L V8) and it only put 210 to the wells, i know this is with no modifications what so ever, but 385 compared to 210 is a huge difference.........btw the lincoln is for sale, has body damage in the back but the engine is still in perfectly good working order, need to get rid of it ASAP, its parked in my tahoe and rx7's spots
I don't know what you've been smoking to not realize that your lincoln has a SOHC not DOHC 4.6, only lincoln to get the DOHC 4.6 was the Mark VIII(of which i am a previous owner of). check it out, that extra cam in the heads makes a big difference...
01-02-06, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tjm73
Well I don't know ***** about the Northstar engines other than they are a pretty sweet engine with a ton of potential. But the DOHC Mach 1 engine is 614 lbs per Ford. Granted it's a iron block engine. The aluminum version is lighter. But that's pretty friggin' close to 650lbs. I said "like 650 lbs" speaking from memory which is never perfect. The 460 is actually closer to 720 lbs.
01-02-06, 12:46 PM
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you do realize they made the DOHC 4.6L with iron and aluminum blocks. iron blocks are up around 576 yes. but the teksid block(93-98 DOHC 4.6L's) was most definately not that heavy, **** the block weighs in around 70 lbs. the iron 4.6 block is over 160 iirc
01-02-06, 06:17 PM
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Are the older BBFs weighed with iron intake manifolds and heads? Jeeze, thats some heft.
Too bad you'd need a cobra crade, tall tires, revs or going into overdive to actually be able to accelerate through the traps with a healthy one in a rx-7 :/
Too bad you'd need a cobra crade, tall tires, revs or going into overdive to actually be able to accelerate through the traps with a healthy one in a rx-7 :/
01-02-06, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbm
wait... v8??? what happened to the whipple blower project????
I got it running, absolutely loved the response and power, but a little voice in my head reminded me that it's never going to pass smog in a big city, which is where I might have to live after I get my degree. It sux.
01-02-06, 10:44 PM
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Why in the world wouldn't you use a 6 speed for that amount of money? Just curious what your thought process is on that.
and that particular tranny that i have selected comes with a .68 fifth gear, which makes it just right for my applications.
01-05-06, 12:45 PM
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Bad news guys! The ford 5.0 doesn't fit the FC so hotly after all. The oil pump is in the WORST possible location, right over the steering rack! Maybe I'll be saving up for the LS1 after all.
01-05-06, 01:25 PM
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Im going to be using a version of the T-5, IIRC its a tremec 3556 or something like that it can handle 500ft/lbs and is a very nice 5spd to mate with the Northstar's powerband. The tranny comes off of the Cobra R models, and is labeled "HD". so for $1600 this better be a damn good tranny.
talk to them long and hard b4 you get that tranny...my friend blow up 4 of them with his mustang.....but sayin they dont make a good tranny they make a real good trany you just need to get the right 1 caz they dont replace them if they blow up
01-05-06, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 81gsl12a
talk to them long and hard b4 you get that tranny...my friend blow up 4 of them with his mustang.....but sayin they dont make a good tranny they make a real good trany you just need to get the right 1 caz they dont replace them if they blow up
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS
Bad news guys! The ford 5.0 doesn't fit the FC so hotly after all. The oil pump is in the WORST possible location, right over the steering rack! Maybe I'll be saving up for the LS1 after all.