383Mazda

I'm almost done with my '86 383 project, just waiting on a radiator...
Anyways, I just got to thinking, I'd like to do another rx7 in the future but I don't know if it will be another second gen or a 3rd gen car. (I've grown up around fast cars, and I like the sleepers, these mazda's with big motors are at the top of my list sofar!)

But it seems to me a lot of little parts are broken in my car, nothing major, just little plastic dash peices and stuff. Also, a lot of people in other threads (all over this site) complain about A LOT of stuff breaking on the second gens... window motors, "sun roof," power ant... the list goes on...
So on to my question, if everyone could have X amout of money to do another rx7 V8 swap, would you go for a second gen, or a 3rd gen?

All comments are welcome, except for "anything but rotorys suck"! (I don't want to hear that me or any other person in this OTHER ENGINE CONVERSION forum is messing up OUR OWN Rx7's!!)

I like the look of the second gen better, but is the 3rd gen as easy to do the V8 swap with? Is the quality better in a 3rd gen, i.e. broken power antenas, power windows, cracked dashes...?

In other words -- which would you do and why?

turbogarrett

iTrader: (1)

3rd gen seems to be higher quality all around. the only issues i have had with mine is a broken drivers door latch(common)and a power antenna that doesn't want to go all the way down, but the car has 100k on it. also the 3rd gen interior is much more modern and has more of a "racecar" feel to it. if money is not an issue, 3rd gen wins hands down!

Swolbynos

for me, a second gen, cause i cant really afford a third gen and ten go out and spend that much money on it

if i could do a third gen, i WOULD

HeX

How about a no gen, and stick into a pinto where it belongs. Haha... please let it be a second gen, don't ruin an FD. Please.

aellerman

383mazda, or anyone for that matter, i want to put a 5L mustang engine in my 88 rx-7 but im not sure of the mods i'd have to make and the parts i'd have to buy. can someone who has already done a V8 engine swap PLEASE tell me what i'd need. if you could email me that'd be great at andrew_ellerman@hotmail.com thanks a lot

MARTIN

omg wtf are you people thinking. IF you want to go chevy or ford power go buy a f@kin ford. Wtf are you thinking. Thats like buying a chevell or something and puttin a 12a in it. Although im thinking about puttin a 13bre in afox body mustang. I wish I had more money I would put a 3 rotor in a vette

cdk 4219

Lots more money(at the least double the price) not much more performance. Parts are hard to find and expensive. Shut up and just go drive your gay *** vert around Miami.

MARTIN

listen up fagboy, let me tell you how your ignorant and stupid, and I bet you anything you wouldnt say that **** to my face. First of buying a fukin mustang cant be more expensive then buying an fd and doin a swap.

MARTIN

listen up fagboy, your ignorant and stupid, therefore not worth of talkin to me. And I would give money to see you say that to my face. IT cant be more expensive to buy an fd and then perform the swap, than to buy a POS mustang.

383Mazda

The reason I didn't go out and buy a mustang or camaro is cause everyone has them! And to be honest, mustang or camaros, or chevells running 11's on the street doesn't turn that many heads! However, NO ONE expects an 86 rx7 to be fast! That's why I bought in rather than a cookie cutter car. They're light, they're good looking, and they'll handled [at worst] just as good as a camaro or mustang with a real motor (V8) in them! Besides, getting a mustang or camaro in the 11's will cost a lot more than getting an rx7 with shot motor and tranny and doing the real motor swap!
brandon
p.s. go ahead and put a rotory in an american muscle car, some people just have to learn the hard way, as you will.... no torque and 3700lbs don't mix well! It's going to be a pain to put a rotory in a mustang, and you'll have more people than you think ask questions like, "why'd you do that? You should have stuck with the V8 and put nitrous or a s-charger on it..."
We V8 / V6 rx7 guys can handle a few, "what are you thinking" questions from a few rx7 purists-- but will you be able to handle "wtf were you thinking!?!" from every one who is wondering why your 5.0 runs 16's in the quarter mile, and then sees under your hood?

black99

IMHO(somebody is bound to disagree) the 3rd gen is a far better plate form to build a well handling/good accelerating car, but I wouldn't say the quality is great. You'll still probably be plagued with broken plastic interior peices/broken antenna's etc. But it's a very good looking car and IMO I'm not much for FC's looks. Look alot like porsche 944's in a sense, not that it's bad, I'm just not much for it. Don't know if the swap is easier on a 2nd gen or a 3rd gen, because I don't know what you need for the swap on a 3rd gen.

black99

What are you Felix Wankel's son? I don't know why people take non-rotary engines in a rx7's so personally...

All three swaps would actually downgrade performance. Not to be rude but for instance anyone with half a brain would realize what power a 12a makes, what kind of powerband it has, and how heavy a chevelle is(of any year) and say "not a good idea".. I understand though, you in all of you're "rotary love" in your alternate universe, where you have $1,000,000.00 to waste on un-thought out projects would love to do that swap.

turbogarrett

iTrader: (1)

a 12a chevelle, 13bre mustang, 3 rotor vette

cdk 4219

First of all, it is you're, not your. Ignorant and stupid is definately your specialty, and I still think you might be a What first tipped me off was the "omg" reference, next the vert, and finally the Miami location. By themselves, no big deal, but add all three up then you get the

MARTIN

Ok cutie youre right, thank you for correcting my obvious mistake . And for the guy that was saying something about a mustang running 16's because it had rotary engine. You said it weighs 3600lbs? thats like a couple hundred lbs heavier than my car. And running 13's with a turbo motor and some upgrades wouldnt be that dificult or expensive. I ran a TII engine in my car so I know how it is. And yes you are right, I do take it offensively but I guess its your car so you do what you want to it. And I know you put up with rotary guys asking you wtf you are doing all the time, but down here most people would welcome a swap like that into a domestic car. About the 12a comment, I was just exaggerating a bit, I know nobody on their right mind would do that. W.e thats my 2 cents. Take it how you want.

383Mazda

You know, if pinto's looked good, if Shelby Cobra's were $1,000 a peice with no motor or trans, or if camaro's / f-birds waighed only 2,800 lbs, I would have chosen one of those. The swap would be easier on any of them, and it would be just as cool. But untill "the old lady with the old dead husband's cobra sitting in the barn in perfect condition, who has no clue what it is" knocks on my door and says she'll take 500 bucks to get it off her hands, I'll have to stick to my rx7.
I, along with pretty much everyone on this forum I'm guessing, aren't doing these V8 swaps to **** anyone off... well, I take that back, there will be a lot of people who will get mad when their Mustang cobra's or Vipers get beat by rx7's... but you get the point.
The Rx7 V8 swap just makes tons of sence from a "I want to go fast" point of view. It's a light car, it can take a V8 without major mod's, they're cheap and easy to come by most of the time, and it's a lot easier and cheaper to fix / work on / find parts for a small block.
If I were a "mazda lover," I like to think I'd be proud to have people choosing an rx7 to make faster than most cars on the street Word is a couple of the mazda "big wheels" are impressed with our V8 / V6 swaps... There's a show up in N.J. near the end of may I think where mazda will bring a new twin turbo'd rx8, and they say they also want to see a lot of these V8 rx7's. So some people are impressed.

And about the mustang martin, I had a friend in highschool a few years ago who had a 91 GT hatchback. He had an s-chager put on it by a shop who was selling him hoursepower... he claimed it would run 9's. Of course he didn't know much about cars, the best he ever got was 14 something. Anyway, I told him my GN was a little over 3700lbs, and he told me his was about 3800. And while we're talking "mustangs," I know you can get 5.0's for around 3-1/2 grand in good condition, then spend another grand or two to get it running good and strong, and then spend another 3 grand for a good turbo kit and have a car capable of 125mph speeds in the quarter (that's usually high 10's). It was an option of mine at first, but I'm not a ford guy, and this rx7 will be cheaper, and I think it will have more potential than a mustang to go fast in the end... this is of course with a budget in mind
And besides.. how many people have mustangs running in the 11's or even 10's??? Now how many people have rx7's running that fast??? Talk about a sleeper!
Brandon

underboosted

also on top of everything said a v8 swap in an rx7 is better for street legal HP.

emod19

It would appear that MARTIN didn't read the rules for this section before posting.

1. NO V8 (or other swap) bashing will be allowed. Your post will be deleted without warning. The number of posts just to start an argument are among the highest in this sub-forum compared to others. It will no longer be tolerated.


Steve

JustinStrife

iTrader: (2)

I went with the third gen, only because I have one and love the styling of it. The car currently has a streetport with '99 spec turbos and at 15psi dynoed 326rwhp on 91 pump gas. The sad thing is, an intake, header LS1 will do the same thing and last 300k miles while giving you 30mpg.

Having driven 13b's, SR20's, LS1's, LT1's, 4AG's, etc, there's just nothing like the torque and hp potential of a V8. Especially when you've fed it boost.

I'm on the fence right now on selling my supercharged C5 and buying a Condo with a garage(the FD needs a home too!) and hopefully someday getting around to putting that LS7 I've been dreaming of(with a shot of giggle juice for those liter bikes...) in and finally finishing the car for good.

Then save up again for a C6 Z06 as a daily driver.