Video: BNR Stage 3 Dynapack results
03-27-06, 09:52 PM
#26
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by the_glass_man
Rich was that on pump gas? Nice numbers BTW! 
03-28-06, 06:44 PM
#27
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: new jersey
Posts: 2,030
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Bryan (BNR) has told me they will max out around 18 or 19 psi, I may try 20 psi on race gas to see the results. The factory turbine housings become the restriction at this boost level. I will tell you my car seems to love 15-16 psi, and my intake/water temps do not rise much even when ripping on the car repeatedly at that boost level.
been saying the same thing for the past 2 years :-)
Good luck and keep it together.
JD
03-28-06, 07:00 PM
#29
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by Terrh
nice numbers!
your car sounds badass at idle.
your car sounds badass at idle.
03-28-06, 07:01 PM
#30
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by Scrub
Hey Rich, Nice numbers buddy. Good luck on the dyno this weekend. Also, who hosted your video? I need someone to host mine.
my little bro had a friend host it for him.
--Ricardo
03-28-06, 07:08 PM
#31
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by G's 3rd Gen
rich.. the 421 pull was on the stock ignition?
nowhere near stock ignition.
At the time of the dyno, jacobs fc1000, fc leading coil, 10 heat range motorcycle plugs leading and 9s trailing.
Now, I have swapped out the fc1000 in favor of a more powerful Jacobs Rotary Pro Pak and am running NGK 10.5 'convential' race plugs.
Rich
03-28-06, 07:10 PM
#32
03-28-06, 07:13 PM
#33
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by njstreetrx7
WOW !!! I'm glad to finally hear that from you guys...
been saying the same thing for the past 2 years :-)
Good luck and keep it together.
JD
been saying the same thing for the past 2 years :-)
Good luck and keep it together.
JD
looks like you are logged on under a customer's name
I hope to keep it together, recently got the water/methanol injection up and running, am shooting for 450ish at 19-20 psi on c16. With the water/meth inj, looks like I can make a 'reliable' 425 rwhp at 18 psi on pump, which has been my aim all along.
take it easy man,
Rich
08-18-06, 06:34 AM
#35
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Great car man
Below is some pics & details of my SP (red one with engien bay shot), I am going to send of my turbo's to Brian very soon *taken a long time for me to make up my mind !*
I did 472rwhp on a dynapack with my fist gen RX7 with street port and 60-1 turbo on 20 psi with water injection and straight pump gas, My SP FD will be running 20psi with pre turbo water injection and I want to make 450+rwhp on the local dynapack we have
Again full props sick car bro !!!
*My car*
=============================================
FD3s Rx-7 Type SP (Australian made! SERIES 6 and 7's? -35 produced)
The1992-94 Bathurst 12 Hour races were dominated by the FD3s Rx7 and the legend continued with the SP version. So proud were Mazda Japan that they began to market the Type RB Bathurst heavily and it appeared with a little sticker of the track on the side. The track is awesome and the SP is equally good.
Mazda Australia developed the SPecial with most areas imporved. As this was a production class event, the rules dictated that at least 25 specials must be in production. The RX-7 SP conceived by Allan Horsley in 1995, built 35 cars in two batches. 25 then 10 more to meet demand both of equal specs. 28 extra kilowatts more came from a beautiful carbon intake housing and piping, a free flowing exhaust and a larger intercooler.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ebaycarbon.jpg
Air-conditioning was optional and it was 90kg lighter. The non fade brakes were huge 294mm discs with special calipers with ABS while the tyres were odd-sized 235/45 and 255/40 17 inch BBS items. A front bumper with splitter, large high rear wing, aluminium vented bonnet and some special stickers completed the package. But there is one item that will hurt your wallet at every fill up. A 110Litre Carbon Fuel tank! But you get pretty good range. All this stuff was aimed at reducing the number of pit stops required in the 12 hour event. But alas in more recent days, the banning of the rotary in competition continues.
Priced at a $100,000 on the road, this was by far the most expensive Mazda ever sold in Australia. Saw one for 50K recently and it looked original but very tired. Still worth considering as a true collectible.
For more SP info Refer to RICE RACING's posts below! Very Good Info!!!!
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...hesta/ms04.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ta/spfront.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...sta/spback.jpg
===============================================
Below is some pics & details of my SP (red one with engien bay shot), I am going to send of my turbo's to Brian very soon *taken a long time for me to make up my mind !*
I did 472rwhp on a dynapack with my fist gen RX7 with street port and 60-1 turbo on 20 psi with water injection and straight pump gas, My SP FD will be running 20psi with pre turbo water injection and I want to make 450+rwhp on the local dynapack we have
Again full props
sick car bro !!!*My car*
=============================================
FD3s Rx-7 Type SP (Australian made! SERIES 6 and 7's? -35 produced)
The1992-94 Bathurst 12 Hour races were dominated by the FD3s Rx7 and the legend continued with the SP version. So proud were Mazda Japan that they began to market the Type RB Bathurst heavily and it appeared with a little sticker of the track on the side. The track is awesome and the SP is equally good.
Mazda Australia developed the SPecial with most areas imporved. As this was a production class event, the rules dictated that at least 25 specials must be in production. The RX-7 SP conceived by Allan Horsley in 1995, built 35 cars in two batches. 25 then 10 more to meet demand both of equal specs. 28 extra kilowatts more came from a beautiful carbon intake housing and piping, a free flowing exhaust and a larger intercooler.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ebaycarbon.jpg
Air-conditioning was optional and it was 90kg lighter. The non fade brakes were huge 294mm discs with special calipers with ABS while the tyres were odd-sized 235/45 and 255/40 17 inch BBS items. A front bumper with splitter, large high rear wing, aluminium vented bonnet and some special stickers completed the package. But there is one item that will hurt your wallet at every fill up. A 110Litre Carbon Fuel tank! But you get pretty good range. All this stuff was aimed at reducing the number of pit stops required in the 12 hour event. But alas in more recent days, the banning of the rotary in competition continues.
Priced at a $100,000 on the road, this was by far the most expensive Mazda ever sold in Australia. Saw one for 50K recently and it looked original but very tired. Still worth considering as a true collectible.
For more SP info Refer to RICE RACING's posts below! Very Good Info!!!!
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...hesta/ms04.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ta/spfront.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...sta/spback.jpg
===============================================
Last edited by RICE RACING; 08-18-06 at 06:39 AM.
08-18-06, 05:52 PM
#36
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Originally Posted by Robertio
Unfortunately I can't see that happening. As far as I can work out just over 430 should be them maxed out. We got 404rwhp out of my car with the turbos out of flow (1.3bar plus a 50 shot was giving no more power than 1.15bar and no gas) - given the 0.3bar pressure drop across the intercooler (we were seeing on my car) is worth around 30rwhp. Will find out for sure when I get my monster vmic over from Chuck
Assuming I can see 430 on pump fuel I'd guess leaning it out to 12:1 on race fuel might gain an extra 10-15rwhp, but just can't see 450 being possible. Would love to be proven wrong though.
Assuming I can see 430 on pump fuel I'd guess leaning it out to 12:1 on race fuel might gain an extra 10-15rwhp, but just can't see 450 being possible. Would love to be proven wrong though.
Your using a dyno dynamics V's the kiwi dynapack...
My SP measures 318rwhp on a DD V's 360+ on a dynapack (on 13psi)
My old first gen pulled 473rwhp V's same set up in another car doing 420rwhp on the same *DD v's DP*
A honest 510 to 520bhp @ the engine is possible from these turbo's no problem form all data I have seen, IMHO I make 410bhp on dead stock turbo's so its not taht much more at all
*What it makes on the various different std chassis dyno's is of little importance as they all vary to one degree or another
08-18-06, 06:54 PM
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
After I was done on the dynapack, I spoke to the operator and shop owner, and he told me that consistently customers that went to a dynojet after the dynpack made ~5% more rwhp on the dynojet, which is where most people have their power measured. Granted it is theoretical, but that alone is enough to bump my results up towards 450. We shall see .
.
08-19-06, 01:29 AM
#38
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
True there is no wheel tire interface on the dynapack BUT its a load cel type hydraulic motor it drives through the hub, it take more energy that rotation of a simple mass on a shaft (inertia type) like dynojet.
dynojet is the MOST opomistic dyno out there
The order goes this way (lowest to highest) *mustang not included cause I have not used it*
Main line (electric retarder), Dyno dynamics (electric retarder), Dynapack (hydralic load cell), Dynojet (inertia only *least losses*)
dynojet is the MOST opomistic dyno out there
The order goes this way (lowest to highest) *mustang not included cause I have not used it*
Main line (electric retarder), Dyno dynamics (electric retarder), Dynapack (hydralic load cell), Dynojet (inertia only *least losses*)
08-19-06, 05:24 AM
#39
Full Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Scotland
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Best of luck with it Rice (be good to see someone forcing Rich back onto the dyno ), after switching over to an SMB exhaust and Rotary Extreme monster V-mount I was up to what I estimated to be 440rwhp (Dyno Dynamics) at 1.4bar, where the turbos were completely maxed out. So if your dynapack reads higher then 450 should be possible. I was running 109 race fuel with water injection at this boost level.
Unfortunately having gone through 2 engines since May I've given up so will never have a dyno chart to verify the above. Having warped the apex seals on my current engine it was down to around 300rwhp which gave me a 12.4@115. When the previous engine let go (top end of 2nd gear, leaving me with what felt like 1bar in 3rd and very little in 4th) I coasted across the line to a 12.6@121 (both full interior on my road tyres).
), after switching over to an SMB exhaust and Rotary Extreme monster V-mount I was up to what I estimated to be 440rwhp (Dyno Dynamics) at 1.4bar, where the turbos were completely maxed out. So if your dynapack reads higher then 450 should be possible. I was running 109 race fuel with water injection at this boost level.Unfortunately having gone through 2 engines since May I've given up so will never have a dyno chart to verify the above. Having warped the apex seals on my current engine it was down to around 300rwhp which gave me a 12.4@115. When the previous engine let go (top end of 2nd gear, leaving me with what felt like 1bar in 3rd and very little in 4th) I coasted across the line to a 12.6@121 (both full interior on my road tyres).
12-11-06, 04:43 AM
#40
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Originally Posted by Robertio
Best of luck with it Rice (be good to see someone forcing Rich back onto the dyno ), after switching over to an SMB exhaust and Rotary Extreme monster V-mount I was up to what I estimated to be 440rwhp (Dyno Dynamics) at 1.4bar, where the turbos were completely maxed out. So if your dynapack reads higher then 450 should be possible. I was running 109 race fuel with water injection at this boost level.
Unfortunately having gone through 2 engines since May I've given up so will never have a dyno chart to verify the above. Having warped the apex seals on my current engine it was down to around 300rwhp which gave me a 12.4@115. When the previous engine let go (top end of 2nd gear, leaving me with what felt like 1bar in 3rd and very little in 4th) I coasted across the line to a 12.6@121 (both full interior on my road tyres).
), after switching over to an SMB exhaust and Rotary Extreme monster V-mount I was up to what I estimated to be 440rwhp (Dyno Dynamics) at 1.4bar, where the turbos were completely maxed out. So if your dynapack reads higher then 450 should be possible. I was running 109 race fuel with water injection at this boost level.Unfortunately having gone through 2 engines since May I've given up so will never have a dyno chart to verify the above. Having warped the apex seals on my current engine it was down to around 300rwhp which gave me a 12.4@115. When the previous engine let go (top end of 2nd gear, leaving me with what felt like 1bar in 3rd and very little in 4th) I coasted across the line to a 12.6@121 (both full interior on my road tyres).
Will be on dyno dynamics machine (hoping for honest 430rwhp) which is 560bhp region ..... will be running 1.5 bar with pre turbo Water injection like i use on other cars and on all my rotaries.
cant wait, have re engineered car for it basicaly, much larger radiator ...... full non sequential mods and racing spec SMB exhaust + a raft of other things to support it, even got my racelogic traction control unit turning up tommorrow so I can make maximum use of the outrageous power
02-09-07, 01:02 AM
#43
bnr stage 3 turbo's
do these turbo's work well with everything stock and does it mount up the same way as every twinturbo (vacuum hoses, etc.)? thinking about getting a set and people tell me to go single but I tell them i live in cali and dont feel like paying hundred for someone to pass smog for me.
02-09-07, 08:45 AM
#44
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Originally Posted by JP's 93 fd
do these turbo's work well with everything stock and does it mount up the same way as every twinturbo (vacuum hoses, etc.)? thinking about getting a set and people tell me to go single but I tell them i live in cali and dont feel like paying hundred for someone to pass smog for me.
08-03-07, 11:11 PM
#46
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
I've since sold the BNRs and been rockin' a big single since january
08-04-07, 10:14 AM
#47
DOWNSTAIRS MIXUP
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lampasas, TX
Posts: 2,723
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
^Wasn't there a guy in a white Cobra that raced you on stock twins a while back? He was talking **** too, BAD! I'm pretty sure it was you because your car is so identifiable... I don't know, I could be wrong. Sorry if I am.
Single eh? How much are you putting down now? And how does it feel compared to the BNR's (spool/lag wise).
Single eh? How much are you putting down now? And how does it feel compared to the BNR's (spool/lag wise).
His Cobra is built making something like 500rwhp.
08-15-07, 10:16 PM
#49
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Thread Starter
iTrader: (213)
Ihor was talking tons of trash once he found out I had to upshift at 6800 rpms. He smoked me of course, every time I shifted I was out of my powerband. Once I fixed the problem, he didn't want to race, go figure......
09-22-07, 05:12 PM
#50
BNR Stage 3 turbo Install
I just completed the install of BNR stage 3 turbo (sequential) on my FD and took it for a test drive yesterday and got no boost at all. The boost gage stayed in the vacuum range and never went into boost. Before the upgrade with the stock setup I was getting the nomal 10-8-10 boost pattern and expected to start the stage 3 setup at the same boost level and dial it up from there. I'm using a Power FC with the boost control kit. The boost control solenoid is connected to the NO port via silicone tubing to the primary turbo manifold and to the actuators via the COM port.
When test driving the car I could hear the boost control solenoid clicking and a faint sound of air escaping so I'm thinking the wastegate is not closing. Any ideas concerning what's going on? There weren't any instructions concerning how to adjust the BNR wastegate so any help on that subject would be appreciated.
When test driving the car I could hear the boost control solenoid clicking and a faint sound of air escaping so I'm thinking the wastegate is not closing. Any ideas concerning what's going on? There weren't any instructions concerning how to adjust the BNR wastegate so any help on that subject would be appreciated.
