Some one didn't eat their happyOs today. But seriously? What kind of response did you expect?

 

I agree with most of you guys. This is probably the single most important safety component on the vehicle. $500 boost controller, no problem, $3000 seats, where do I sign, $2000 sub amp, i'll take two. But wait, did you say those brakes are $3000, I better have a look around for some cheaper ones. This is crazy, keep your stock brakes, and get some pads. 99% of the time if it isnt an air freshner and it's made in China its garbage. Sorry about the rant, just my opinion.

 

99% of the time, if you just replace your stock pads with better ones and replace your stock lines with braided s/s ones, you will be able to handle most of the stuff
that +80% of the guys on this forum will EVER go through anyway. My rant...

 

It may be too good to be true, but we are NOT from China, we are from Taiwan. Taiwan is not part of China, and is not run by China.

We only try to hit the market and make affordable brakes for everyone to enjoy. Normally, sales of any BBK has a mark up value of 50%. In our case, we don't have a 50% mark up, this is simply for you to take advantage of our products. If you haven't tried out an product, it would be unfair to quote about it. Especially when you just put it into "China" category if everything comes from Asia. Please do your research, thank you.

 

This doesn't sounds nice.

1. We are not a copy of any brands. Copying of a caliper requires a procedure to create the cast mold of that caliper which requires at least USD$5000.00 to do so. When we spend USD$5000.00 to create our cast mold, why bother copying someone else's design?

2. Shitty Torque resistant bridge? I wonder what kind of judement this comment is based on. Base on the picture? We wouldn't make such a comment if you haven't actually tried our product.

 

Again, we are not part of replica parts of any kind. The only replica parts of a brake you can ever find is the replica 4 and 6 piston brake caliper covers, which is not even a real brake. Who would acutally spend money to replica brakes? Why bother? We could just spend money to create our own products.

 

We sell our product less because we simply wants customers to be able to afford a high performance brake kit. This has nothing to do with materials or how it is made.

Like I previously quoted, normally there is at least 50% mark ups on Big Brake kits. In our case, we own our own manufacturer and does not have 50% mark ups. This is for you to take advantage of us. Thank you.

 

"Brembo Style Pads" are simply a delusion of brake pads to make people think they are the same pads as the Brembo pads. They are simply the same design, and size as the brembo pads so that is why they call it "brembo Style Pads" I am sure they never claim to have the same performance as the brembo's.

While we never tried this kind of pads before, we do not want to post any negative comments for them. It would be up to your friend to post the comments who has actually tried them on and knows the results.

 

Thank you! At least someone here is playing fair.

 

Do you have any type of doccumented tests , or testimonials from actual users ? do you have a web site ?

 

Please detail what design, testing, and manufacturing quality methods you used to create these components.

IME, products like this are made by taking a competitor's product and reverse engineering each part to make a replica of the system. Of course, exact material specifications and manufacturing tolerances do not get brought over. Whether your castings are made from the same tooling is irrelevant. For something as important as a brake caliper, with precision pistons and seals, I would never trust a brake supplier who does not have a full design effort in front of the product.

Dave

 

And I quote,

"NOTE: At Customers request, we can sell BLANKS (no logo on calipers) and give FREE two new BREMBO Decals."

No, you are totally right, you don't sell any replica parts at all!

Idiot, take your **** products elsewhere. Do you have a website, racing history, test data, engineering data?

 

Your statements obviously show that you don't want to confront any of the engineering issues concerning brakes. Seeing as this is such a crucial area when it comes to maintaining your life which should be important.

We do not care about how or why you sell your brakes cheap and the fact of the matter is that I am sure that companies who develop a caliper spend much more than 5,000$ on their designs.

Also, why would I try your product to find it is junk? You should have engineering data to support your claims that your calipers have attributes which are comparable or superior to other manufacturers. Not simply that they are of a certain "style".

 

I doubt you'll hear from that guy again......

 

Where do these guys come from, two brembo stickers, are you kidding me ? Someone should buy a set of these and test them just to see what the deal is, in fact why dont you guys cough up a demo pair to an objective party and we'll see what the results are. Oh ya, and if their in stock send a couple project mu stickers...... goof.

 

Yes Dave, but you are only half right. We don't just make the brake kits and slap it on a car to call it a day. All of these debate in this whole entire forums are vague arguments.

Do you actually knows what it takes to manufacture brake kits?
How do you want me to detail the designs? Are you asking for specifications?
Testing, I can detail testing.
Manufacturing quality methods? Are you asking for the machine, computer, equipments and hardwares we use? And how long and deep the drill is, the R Angle Curb, degrees, technical specifications ...etc.? Or are you questioning our QC? Please advise. Thank you.

 

I'm questioning all of the above. I'm a mechanical engineer, and I design components for industry (not automotive) that have o-ring sealing, deflection- and stress-limited structures, thermal considerations, material considerations, design drawings, quality requirements, the works.

Many, many automotive components for sale today are reverse-engineered parts that are drawn up by engineers in cheap countries and manufactured in cheaper countries. These countries (China, for one) actually use excellent manufacturing tools - the problem in my experience is they don't take the time to use it to full advantage and the quality control is almost nonexistent. Parts like this cannot be made for this cost any other way.

While that may be fine for a piece of exhaust pipe, brake kits are a whole different class. You need the right materials, tolerances, structural design (both cold and hot and everywhere in between), seals, manufacturing processes, and the utmost in product quality. I personally would not trust that to a manufacturer who doesn't clearly have the background in developing brakes from the ground up. Dumb ricers will buy and most won't know the difference. But racers do. Racers melt brake pads and apply loads to components not even possible on the street.

So far you've simply talked about it. Talk all you want, but racers need things to work because they need to push things to the limit. We've been around enough to know that an elaborate eBay listing and marketer talk means nothing. The rudimentary website doesn't impress either. The lack of proper english is only one tiny slice of the smell of this pie. The "news" on the site is really scary.

I really do care about manufacturers who are based overseas. I'm not some redneck American who refuses to buy from China (or Taiwan). But brake kits are not a trivial undertaking, and without a big base of experience I simply won't trust the product. Clearly I'm not alone on this.

I don't expect you to answer all my questions here. I was surprised that someone from your company would sign on to attempt to defend the products. Please use my criticism to seriously look at the US market and develop your business into something good.

Dave

 

Please read the PM (private message) that I sent you on 8-31-06 and acknowledge through the same pm system.

Thank you,

Doc.

 

Versus

 

That is the Project Mu calipers, they are large 6-piston kit. The picture showing our xendo 6-piston is the small 6-piston caliper XS6-628. You should compare project Mu calipers with our XB6-660 big 6-piston calipers.

 

You are right Dave. We shouldn't be in this forum. Especially when we couldn't put any technical data/diagram and CAD information on forums. We will take your criticism seriously.

Xendo XS6-628 6-piston Caliper Kit:
Piston sizes: 27mm x 4, 38mm x 2
Caliper Size: 240mm x 130mm x 75mm
Caliper Weight: 2.5KG Per Caliper
Caliper Material: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Piston Material: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Disc Size: 330mm x 28mm
Disc Material: Available in Standard FC25 Steel Cast, Premium FC30 Steel Cast and Supreme FV35 Steel Cast
Disc Hat: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Disc Weight: Approx. 10~11KG per disc

Xendo XB6-660 6-piston Caliper Kit:
Piston sizes: 27mm x 2, 38mm x 2, 42mm x2
Caliper Size: 310mm x 165mm x 87mm
Caliper Weight: 4.56KG Per Caliper
Caliper Material: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Piston Material: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Disc Size: 355mm x 32mm
Disc Material: Available in Standard FC25 Steel Cast, Premium FC30 Steel Cast and Supreme FV35 Steel Cast
Disc Hat: 6061 Forged Aluminum
Disc Weight: Approx. 13~14KG per disc

Please standby for other informations.

 

You should compare project Mu calipers with our XB6-660 big 6-piston calipers, at least its a fair fight. It would be unfair to wrestle a light weight with a heavy weight. And what are you trying to proof? You are showing two complete different project Mu calipers on seperate diagrams.

 

OK how about this one.



Hope stoked doesn't mind that I use his pictures.

Are you in accordance that many shops in China, or rather should I say Manufacturing plants in China offer to fabricate many things to a certain specification which in now way assures the quality of performance of said parts?

 

First thing is, our parts and assemblies are from Taiwan. Taiwan is not part of China. We do not think China currently has the technical ability to manufacture big brake kits. Most BBK out there that you see are manufactured in Taiwan due to cheap labors. K-Sports, Kido, VTTR, JUN calipers are all manufactured in Taiwan. Our factory produces O.Z. and Kido calipers.

 

Can you post a picture of your "big" XB6-660 big 6-piston calipers ?