impulsive-rx7

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www.hrsprings.com/site/products/triplec.html


Yes I searched, looking for some more definitive info on these as an inexpensive alternative to camber plates. Are these good products?

Discuss.

adam c

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I have not seen this product before. It appears to have a very limited range of adjustment. That cam isn't going to move anything very far.

Do it right, get the camber plates

impulsive-rx7

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It says up to 3 degrees, if that's all I would use anyway, why spend 200+ bucks on camber plates.

edmcguirk

I have used a similar product on my street and autocross cars. They work just fine and they don't slip like some other styles do.

On my race car I use camber plates because the accuracy, reliability, and range of adjustment is better.

ed

impulsive-rx7

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Yeah, my car is a street car. I don't think I would really need the adjustablity that the camber plates would offer.

DamonB

Those are often available as factory parts and are typically called "crash bolts". The factory uses them in getting bent, wrecked car's suspension back into spec but they can also be used for adjustability if desired. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them and few people know such a thing exists.

In stock class autox competition it is quite legal to use these bolts for camber adjustment as long as the factory recommends it in their service manual.

It doesn't have to have a large range of adjustment because its location is so close to the lower balljoint. Small movement=big camber change in this case.

Camber plates on the other hand are very far away from the lower balljoint and so require a much larger range of motion to achieve the same camber change.

rx7will

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Its actually a double adjustment it has a collar with a tab that sticks into the strut hole. Depending on if you want more positive or negative camber. And then you can adjust the camber by turning the cam bolt. Suspension specialty parts makes this also. I've use it when i was waiting for my camber plates to arrive. You can also use to help with clearance between the rim/tire and the strut.

GTRay

i do alignments on a daily basis in our shop and we use a similar product on MANY cars. they work great but can be a pain sometimes when trying to pinpoint the camber. they are SUPER easy to install as well.

you can probably find cheaper alternatives to that product - looks like all the engineering went into the packaging on that particular one. call your local carquest or NAPA and see what they have - they are very common parts but are typically only used by alignment shops.

Ray

scotty305

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My '00 Subaru Impreza used this method to adjust the camber, from the factory. The bolts had a few alignment notches on them, so you could line up both sides.

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RETed

They don't belong on a "race car".
Cheap will bite you in the ***.
Performance takes money.



-Ted

GTRay

and why is that ted? these parts are inexpensive compared to the adjustable camber plates, that doesn't mean they are "cheap". is it because they alter the scrub radius and SAI? i can comfortably tell you that these adjusters won't alter the "feel" or function of the steering system much at all.

Ray

jgrewe

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rx7will touched on one thing with clearance issues. They can help get you some clearance if you have camber plates but they can cause a problem if you have wide tires and you tilt them in. Other than that, call NAPA and get some they work fine and are just as safe as stock pieces or else the factory(s) wouldn't say to use them.

RETed

They are called "crash" bolts for a reason.
The pics look like they are "eccentric" bolts though.
Either way, you will never see a "mil-spec" fastener that looks like that.

Cheap will bite you in the ***.


-Ted

Cheers!

you need some low offset wheels for those things to work. With stock wheels and stock suspension I can't even get my finger between the spring perch and the wheel.

jgrewe

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The gov't can afford to throw **** away if it gets a little bent, so you're right probably no mil-spec. Although I have not looked under any Hummers(not in the military) there just might be some being used. Considering we are dealing with shear loads in a the few hundred pound range and any of these bolts can handle a few thousand pounds of shear. I still say no problem.

Stupid will bite you in the *** long before cheap has a chance!
(not saying you're stupid,RETed, just a clarification)

RETed

I'm not worried about "normal" loads from "normal" driving.
I'm worried about the spikes from hitting a curb or off-road excursions.
You're welcome to run whatever you like on your car.
My point is that I would never run crap like that on my, nor would I recommend them to my customers, period.


-Ted

jgrewe

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I use camber plates. They are the better way to go, particularly for the ease of adjustment. There are plenty of other things that will fail when a car is bounced off a curb etc. before these bolts would. They simply aren't loaded that highly no matter what happens to the car. The lower ball joint and the lower bolt in the pivot system handle the load, these only control the relative angles of the parts. (they do help with some of the load) Its your choice on what you recommend and feel comfortable with, but there are plenty of lawyers up in Detroit or Tokyo that are convinced these things are OK. Then again they also figured it would be cheaper to defend lawsuits from exploding Pintos than to fix the problem with a recall! I can agree to disagree with you

edmcguirk

It's one of those things where camber plates are like 5 times better than crash bolts but they cost 10 times more.

No matter how you look at it camber plates are better but you have to decide if they are worth it for your application.

Crash bolts that have some kind of eccentric (as opposed to the crash bolts that only rely on clamping friction) do work adequately in most situations.

ed

grantmac

Can you use crash bolts in both the upper and lower holes to increase the adjustment? I'm just curious, I think I'll try them on the uppers to begin with in my "budget" autoX car.
Grant

edmcguirk

Usually one crash bolt is good for about 1.5 degrees. You can use two for 3 degrees.

grantmac

So you CAN run two if you want? I like the option of finally getting some decent camber.
Grant

jgrewe

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I don't think the lower holes are designed for adjustment in the strut or the spindle. One has to have a slot of some kind.

edmcguirk

The camber bolts with internal eccentrics will work without a slotted hole,

A slotted hole is a bad thing.

grantmac

Yeah I would only use an eccentric. My only complaint is that they are all made of aluminum and I'd prefer steel. It's high quality aluminum but still.
Grant

edmcguirk

Aluminum? Yikes!

The only ones I have used were steel. I got them here:
https://www.stempfperformance.com/topframe.asp

ed