apexkw

Motul RBF 600

ATE Super Blue

what do you guys think is better and why? i was going to get motul RBF600 and then after reading some post i kinda like the ATE stuff also because of the different colors that it comes in for bleeding the brakes. i am sitching over to stainless lines also so i am kinda exploring my options before i do the swap.

links for reading... duh

motul- http://www.motorspot.com/rbf600.html

ate- http://www.strictly-german.com/motor...?idproduct=498

more reading http://www.motiveproducts.com/

redrotorR1

I like the ATE Super Blue because it's .... uh, cheaper. The dry and wet boiling points are similar between the two, so unless you're a hardcore track racer that demands nothing but the best ... it's pretty much a wash. The ATE Amber and Blue switch is just icing on the cake.

SleepR1

Don't mess around...Motul RBF 600...it's the sh*t!

apexkw

they cost the same....they are both $9.95..so cost isnt really a problem.

http://www.motiveproducts.com/ordernow_fluids.htm

maxcooper

Does anyone know if RBF600 absorbs water faster or slower than ATE? I think the ATE stuff is designed to last a long time (the bottles say 1 year), but I am not sure about the Motul. The Motul should be better fluid for a pure track car because of the higher boiling point, but it might not be as applicable for a car that you don't want to have to change the fluid all the time on. However, I am really not sure one way or the other.

I like the ATE stuff and use it in my cars. But I suspect the Motul is better for some applications.

-Max

Fritz Flynn

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How about mixing them Seriously I ran out of super blue and have a bottle of motul can I mix the two different fluids? Also have a bottle of AP 600 I could add to the stew. While I'm at it who has run there hoosiers inside out. I'm breaking all kinds of rules

Thanks,
Fritz

Mahjik

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Hey guys,

I finished up a track event today using Super Blue. I will say that the next event, I will NOT be using Super Blue. I started to lose my brakes about 15 minutes into my session.

Most of the guys at the track do not recommend Super Blue for longer track events. Things like AutoX, drag or normal driving it should be just fine.

Carlos Iglesias

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Hey Fritz, as long as the two fluids are the same "DOT" you can mix.

As for the comparison, my experience mirrors Max's comments: I use Motul for the track because of it's higher boiling point(s), but it is definitely more hydroscopic (sp?) that ATE.

apexkw

well i change all the fluids in my car at least once a year. "oil changes more frequently than that...lol" so hopefully thats enough to not make water absorbtion a problem. my car is not my daily driver but it is like 90% street driven. anybody else have some comments..cough cough bump!

Fritz Flynn

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Thanks Carlos

Still need the dome light and if the price is too high let me I have no idea what they cost?

Fish

I have not used the Motul, but have been using the ATE SBR for the last couple of years for both road and track.

Not had one problem with it in either the FD or my Impreza.

Dan

apexkw

Dan what kinda of impreza do you have? 22b!!!!!!!!

DamonB

I have been considering the Motul but passed because of the water vapor issue I have heard from others.

Right now I am using Valvoline (Syntech?) brake fluid off the shelf. It's in a grey bottle. I've done a few open track sessions with it and have no issues.

Mahjik

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Hey Damon, what kind of speeds are you running on your tracks?

If I kept my speeds under 100, my breaks were fine. However, anything over 110 down the straights of the track near me kills Super Blue on my car after a few laps.

DamonB

That particular track I brake from 110+ to 40 once and 100+ to 50ish twice. I am running HP+ pads.

What type of pad are you running with the super blue?

Mahjik

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I'm running the Bonez Stage I performance pads. Not the greatest for track events, but they are decent.

When I was getting my brake fade, I was doing 130 down the main straight braking to about 65-70 for the turn. The other shorter straights I would hit 100 braking to 50 for the turns. After about 4 laps, the fading started.

I spoke with a few other guys at the event (FD, Viper and Porsche owners) and they were all using Motul. Most of them had fading problems with Super Blue on the course. I'm going to go with Motul the next time around (next month) and add the N-Tech brake ducts to see if that helps out.

Fish

Nope it was a UK model (208BHP) with a custom built engine (Prodrive group A conrods, cosworth pistons, oil squirters) lightened flywheel, ap clutch, hybrid VF22 turbo, custom front mount I/C, Motec M48 Pro ECU, HKS Ti-Tipped exhaust system, Aquamist water injection + I/C spray, AP 6 pot brakes, STi suspension, SPA gauges for oil press/temp and inlet and EGT temps.

By the time I was finished we think it was circa 400-450BHP.

This was quicker than Yamaha R6 + R1's up to mid third gear! With the added ability to stop.

It is now almost standard barring an exhaust system and air filter, as this is now my daily beater and the FD being my new track toy.

Dan

apexkw

fish one day i will meet a 22b owner! but man sounds like a sweet car. i like the scoobies..i like em a lot!

apexkw

so it seems like everybody agrees that the motul is better but you have to change it more often. so how often is more often....more than once a year?

maxpesce

I use the ATE SBR because it was recomended to me by a guy that compains a wicked fast CRX IT car and that is what he uses, He changed from MOTUL b/k he can run an entire season on the ATE SBR but had to flush the Motul after EVERY race weekend. I am guessing on a street/ track car the motul will need to be changed every 3-6 months or before every track event. Also ATE SB is and has been the OEM brake fluid for every Mercedes and Porsche build in the last 40 or so years. Mercedes even used ATE SBR in their Le Mans winning Group C racecars iirc. fwiw My 280SEL 4.5 has gone 6+ years on the same ATE fluid (getting changed this weekend!)

artowar

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I've used Motul for the last 4 or 5 years, and it's worked great for me whether at track events or on the street. I have not heard (until this thread) that it's relatively more hygroscopic than other racing-oriented brake fluids. Of course I'm a lousy test case, since I live in a desert environment and have averaged at least two brake fluid changes per year since switching to Motul...

So, based on my own experience, and taking Carlos' & maxpesce's comments into account, I would not hesitate to recommend Motul to someone that tracks their car, lives in a low-humidity environment, and flushes their brake fluid at least twice per year

cpa7man

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Has anyone here used the MotiveProducts Power Bleeder? It looks like good product.

DamonB

I believe that's what SleepR1 uses and he really likes it.

Mahjik

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I don't have one, but a local friend does and they are invalueable. I've never used it to bleed the brakes; but when I changed my clutch, it saved us 10 million pumps on bleeding the air out of the clutch line.

cpa7man

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Thanks guys, should save me lots of time. I'm going to buy it. Thanks for the link Apexkw, and the good thread.