FD Drag Setup please / large drag slicks!
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FD Drag Setup please / large drag slicks!
I am looking to get a set of wheels either made or ordered and would like to get some input on tire sizes and wheel offsets. I will have to run a 16" rim so the following 3 seem to be the only choices available for wrinkle wall drag tires.
Hoosier #18153 28.0/10.0-16
10.0" wide 28.0" diam. 8-10" rim 12.0" section width / soft drag slick
Mickey Thompson #3793 26X11.50-16LT
9.7" wide 26.2" diam. 10" rim 10.8" section width / street slick
Mickey Thompson #3792 26X10.50-16LT
8.4" wide 25.9" diam. 9" rim 10.3" section width / street slick
I would prefer the Hoosier for the extra diamerer, width and the fact that is a true drag slick which is most likely a softer compound however i am not sure if this large of a tire would be pushing the limit to fit. I am sure it would need the perfect rim size and offset to make it fit if at all. (any experience or suggestions?)
The Mickey Thompson would probably work if needed but i would rather run the larger 26x11.50 for the extra width. This might also require a wider rim with the perfect offset. (I have heard of the 26x10.50 suggested but has any one tried the larger M/T tire?)
Can any one verify fitment on the larger mickey thompson or the Hoosier slick?
What rim width and offset would you recommend for which tire?
I am running after market toe links, trailing lings and coil over suspension. I have no problem rolling the inner lips. I do not believe i can run the stock FD rims as i have a brembo 12.9" rear brake kit installed and need more clearance between the spoke and caliper without the use of spacers of course. Other than that, i believe a 16" diam. will fit around the brakes just right.
Before i get abused, the reason for the big brakes on a drag racing setup is that this is a purpose built street car which will be taken to the track on ocasion.
The reason for needing a larger slick is a built 3-rotor with very large HP goals. (the drive train has already been addressed!)
Hoosier #18153 28.0/10.0-16
10.0" wide 28.0" diam. 8-10" rim 12.0" section width / soft drag slick
Mickey Thompson #3793 26X11.50-16LT
9.7" wide 26.2" diam. 10" rim 10.8" section width / street slick
Mickey Thompson #3792 26X10.50-16LT
8.4" wide 25.9" diam. 9" rim 10.3" section width / street slick
I would prefer the Hoosier for the extra diamerer, width and the fact that is a true drag slick which is most likely a softer compound however i am not sure if this large of a tire would be pushing the limit to fit. I am sure it would need the perfect rim size and offset to make it fit if at all. (any experience or suggestions?)
The Mickey Thompson would probably work if needed but i would rather run the larger 26x11.50 for the extra width. This might also require a wider rim with the perfect offset. (I have heard of the 26x10.50 suggested but has any one tried the larger M/T tire?)
Can any one verify fitment on the larger mickey thompson or the Hoosier slick?
What rim width and offset would you recommend for which tire?
I am running after market toe links, trailing lings and coil over suspension. I have no problem rolling the inner lips. I do not believe i can run the stock FD rims as i have a brembo 12.9" rear brake kit installed and need more clearance between the spoke and caliper without the use of spacers of course. Other than that, i believe a 16" diam. will fit around the brakes just right.
Before i get abused, the reason for the big brakes on a drag racing setup is that this is a purpose built street car which will be taken to the track on ocasion.
The reason for needing a larger slick is a built 3-rotor with very large HP goals. (the drive train has already been addressed!)
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Also, does anyone know of a good 17" or larger skinny front drag tire that is at least 25" tall. Not 2" like a drag rail but like a 4" to 6" rim/tire fitment?
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Email Brian Hinson at www.hinsonsupercars.com or give me a call he has run slicks on his LS1 powered FD many time he can tell you what fits and what does not. I know up front he used two spares seemed to work great for him.
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CCW (Complete Custom Wheel) in FL can make you the rims you are searching for. They can make any size diameter/width wheel you need.
If you have big brakes up front (I assume) in order to run the stock 16x4 spares up front with speed/load rated tires you will need custom hubcentric spacers to clear the calipers. The alternative is to have CCW make you a set of 17" front runners.
Remember that M/T ET Streets may say 12.5" on the sidewall but in reality are only 10.5" wide. I believe they also make a 27" tall tire. Call a shop and ask for the complete list of 16" size slicks/ET Streets. Contact Hoosier as well as they mainly list the popular sizes and others may be available.
A 28" tall tire will rub if your car is lowered I imagine.
If you have big brakes up front (I assume) in order to run the stock 16x4 spares up front with speed/load rated tires you will need custom hubcentric spacers to clear the calipers. The alternative is to have CCW make you a set of 17" front runners.
Remember that M/T ET Streets may say 12.5" on the sidewall but in reality are only 10.5" wide. I believe they also make a 27" tall tire. Call a shop and ask for the complete list of 16" size slicks/ET Streets. Contact Hoosier as well as they mainly list the popular sizes and others may be available.
A 28" tall tire will rub if your car is lowered I imagine.
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Well thanks for all the input. I talked with John from CCW wheels and that is an awesome lead. He knows his **** and is not afraid to help out. I will buy a set of wheel from him for sure. Maybe not for this drag setup as the only wheel he can make in a 16" is the Clasic which is kind of a plain. He said i could run the 16x10 with the 255/50-r16 mt radial slick all day long but would not suggest the bias with a wide front radial tire. He thought that if we went to a 5" rim up front with a narrow tire it might be ok. M/T just come out with a new 26/6-r18 narrow front tire. I am just considering getting an el-cheep-o 16x8,9 wheel with the proper backspacing and throwing it on the back for now with the steer E/T radial tire.
1/4 mile has not been run yet nor has the car. Just figuring out everything. I have a bad habit of buying stough for the car before it is needed. Lost my *** a couple of times this way.
Any way, i am running a 4:30 gear out back with a 1:1 4th gear in the trans. I would like to end the 1/4 in 4th at about 8500rpm which would put me at about 152mph and then i would be required to run a shoot. That would be awesome!
According to rotary performance acceleration calculator
887 rwhp + 3200lbs + 3 shifts + 26" tires + 4.30 gear = 9.41sec / 152.84mph @ 8501 rpm
3200 is a little on the heavy side but with the cage, large turbo and extra accessories i feel it is a safe number
887rwhp i believe is achievable as 1000 engine HP is the main goal for the project!
Traction durability will be the biggest factor to change the numbers above. I would like to see the car in the high 8 second bracket but realize that would be tough with a purpose built street car with air conditioning and full interior without wheel tubs and wheelie bars
1/4 mile has not been run yet nor has the car. Just figuring out everything. I have a bad habit of buying stough for the car before it is needed. Lost my *** a couple of times this way.
Any way, i am running a 4:30 gear out back with a 1:1 4th gear in the trans. I would like to end the 1/4 in 4th at about 8500rpm which would put me at about 152mph and then i would be required to run a shoot. That would be awesome!
According to rotary performance acceleration calculator
887 rwhp + 3200lbs + 3 shifts + 26" tires + 4.30 gear = 9.41sec / 152.84mph @ 8501 rpm
3200 is a little on the heavy side but with the cage, large turbo and extra accessories i feel it is a safe number
887rwhp i believe is achievable as 1000 engine HP is the main goal for the project!
Traction durability will be the biggest factor to change the numbers above. I would like to see the car in the high 8 second bracket but realize that would be tough with a purpose built street car with air conditioning and full interior without wheel tubs and wheelie bars
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Originally Posted by Auto Illusions
Well thanks for all the input. I talked with John from CCW wheels and that is an awesome lead. He knows his **** and is not afraid to help out. I will buy a set of wheel from him for sure. Maybe not for this drag setup as the only wheel he can make in a 16" is the Clasic which is kind of a plain. He said i could run the 16x10 with the 255/50-r16 mt radial slick all day long but would not suggest the bias with a wide front radial tire. He thought that if we went to a 5" rim up front with a narrow tire it might be ok. M/T just come out with a new 26/6-r18 narrow front tire. I am just considering getting an el-cheep-o 16x8,9 wheel with the proper backspacing and throwing it on the back for now with the steer E/T radial tire.
1/4 mile has not been run yet nor has the car. Just figuring out everything. I have a bad habit of buying stough for the car before it is needed. Lost my *** a couple of times this way.
Any way, i am running a 4:30 gear out back with a 1:1 4th gear in the trans. I would like to end the 1/4 in 4th at about 8500rpm which would put me at about 152mph and then i would be required to run a shoot. That would be awesome!
According to rotary performance acceleration calculator
887 rwhp + 3200lbs + 3 shifts + 26" tires + 4.30 gear = 9.41sec / 152.84mph @ 8501 rpm
3200 is a little on the heavy side but with the cage, large turbo and extra accessories i feel it is a safe number
887rwhp i believe is achievable as 1000 engine HP is the main goal for the project!
Traction durability will be the biggest factor to change the numbers above. I would like to see the car in the high 8 second bracket but realize that would be tough with a purpose built street car with air conditioning and full interior without wheel tubs and wheelie bars
1/4 mile has not been run yet nor has the car. Just figuring out everything. I have a bad habit of buying stough for the car before it is needed. Lost my *** a couple of times this way.
Any way, i am running a 4:30 gear out back with a 1:1 4th gear in the trans. I would like to end the 1/4 in 4th at about 8500rpm which would put me at about 152mph and then i would be required to run a shoot. That would be awesome!
According to rotary performance acceleration calculator
887 rwhp + 3200lbs + 3 shifts + 26" tires + 4.30 gear = 9.41sec / 152.84mph @ 8501 rpm
3200 is a little on the heavy side but with the cage, large turbo and extra accessories i feel it is a safe number
887rwhp i believe is achievable as 1000 engine HP is the main goal for the project!
Traction durability will be the biggest factor to change the numbers above. I would like to see the car in the high 8 second bracket but realize that would be tough with a purpose built street car with air conditioning and full interior without wheel tubs and wheelie bars
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Originally Posted by aram
I think you should go out and drag race a little and you'll find out there's a little more than crunching #'s into formulas if you want to run that fast.
Good Advice!
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