FD brakes, RZ, mandeville? 929 master c?
11-28-03, 02:16 AM
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FD brakes, RZ, mandeville? 929 master c?
im about to start up on my brakes here on my FD, but i dont see where i can order the mandeville brakes, or the RZ brakes. JT-imports doesnt seem to be answering emails. im not sure where to go. does anyone know which one has got wider rotors? also, does the RZ caliper use the same brake pad as the stock 93-95 pad? is there any websites where i can buy these supplies? also regarding master cylinders: if i install the 929 master cylinder do i retain ABS? and retain stock brake feel/better brake feel? i cant stand shitty big brake feel, already went down that route on a WRX, and it sucked. anyone have any imput or suggestions? thanks much
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11-28-03, 09:50 AM
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Russell,
You have to call Roger at Mandeville Autotech directly... and I wish i had the number, but dont.
For either the Mandeville, or the RZ, I don't believe you need the 929 MC, because the caliper piston sizes aren't changing (i'm absolutely positive about the Mandeville, because it uses your stock caliper, i'll let someone else confirm on the RZ, but AFAIK they are virtually the same size).
Either way, if you DO swap MC's, you can retain the ABS.
The mandeville kit uses a 13x1.125" 2-peice Coleman rotor.
The RZ can use either the stock '99 one-piece rotor, which i believe is about 12.4x1.125", or the recently developed 2-piece Precision brake rotors of the same size that everyone got thru a group buy.
Hope this helps.
You have to call Roger at Mandeville Autotech directly... and I wish i had the number, but dont.
For either the Mandeville, or the RZ, I don't believe you need the 929 MC, because the caliper piston sizes aren't changing (i'm absolutely positive about the Mandeville, because it uses your stock caliper, i'll let someone else confirm on the RZ, but AFAIK they are virtually the same size).
Either way, if you DO swap MC's, you can retain the ABS.
The mandeville kit uses a 13x1.125" 2-peice Coleman rotor.
The RZ can use either the stock '99 one-piece rotor, which i believe is about 12.4x1.125", or the recently developed 2-piece Precision brake rotors of the same size that everyone got thru a group buy.
Hope this helps.
11-28-03, 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by 93 R1
Any links to the Mandevile setup?
Any links to the Mandevile setup?
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/b...t_install.html
Problem is this was in '99...I may try to contact him because I would buy this setup tomorrow if available.
12-01-03, 03:25 PM
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If your feeling flush and looking for something special I have a set of Movit front brakes for sale. 322 x 32 mm cast vented rotors and Porsche Big red calipers, lines, pads, brackets etc. Only snag for a potential buyer would be shipping as I am in the UK.
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12-01-03, 06:42 PM
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With all due respect to those FD3S owners running Mandeville upgrades (notably, CrispyRx7), the Type RS/RZ J-spec brakes all around are a much better option than the Mandevilles
12-02-03, 10:39 AM
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RZ Brakes
www.corksport.com Cork Sport sells the RZ brakes maybe they have the information you need.
12-04-03, 08:36 PM
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im not seeing the rz brakes... just the MS ones for way too much money
p.s. can anyone answer hte rz/rs pad question if they know? im assuming they dont run the same pads since there is more surface area on the rotor, so what pads are the propper size... and what options would i be left with (hawk, axis, etc??) thanks, heath
p.s. can anyone answer hte rz/rs pad question if they know? im assuming they dont run the same pads since there is more surface area on the rotor, so what pads are the propper size... and what options would i be left with (hawk, axis, etc??) thanks, heath
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12-04-03, 10:34 PM
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99 brakes run the same pads as the 93-95's, front and rear.
The only difference in the fronts are differential-bore pistons (similar in size to the 93s) and a wider opening and longer mounting tabs on the caliper for the larger diameter, and thicker rotor.
In the rear, the only difference is longer mounting tabs for a larger diameter (but same thickness) rotor
The only difference in the fronts are differential-bore pistons (similar in size to the 93s) and a wider opening and longer mounting tabs on the caliper for the larger diameter, and thicker rotor.
In the rear, the only difference is longer mounting tabs for a larger diameter (but same thickness) rotor
Originally posted by RotorMotor
im not seeing the rz brakes... just the MS ones for way too much money
p.s. can anyone answer hte rz/rs pad question if they know? im assuming they dont run the same pads since there is more surface area on the rotor, so what pads are the propper size... and what options would i be left with (hawk, axis, etc??) thanks, heath
im not seeing the rz brakes... just the MS ones for way too much money
p.s. can anyone answer hte rz/rs pad question if they know? im assuming they dont run the same pads since there is more surface area on the rotor, so what pads are the propper size... and what options would i be left with (hawk, axis, etc??) thanks, heath
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so if the rotors are wider how do they use the same pads? they need to cover more surface area.... do they tilt the pads sideways or something? or is it that the part of the rotor that is being squeezed is moved farther out (on the larger caliper) and therefore has more leverage... but not more actual area?
12-05-03, 08:01 AM
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No, the actual rotor is about 1.25" thick, rather than .875" for the stock. That has no effect on the shape of the pads, they just mount out wider to accomodate. The rotor is also 12.4" rather than 11.6"... so they just position the caliper and pads out further... the annulus (sp?) isn't a different enough shape to warrant a different shape pad...
They really aren't much different than what Mandeville does... he just uses spacers to widen the caliper, position it further out... but his setup uses a two-piece, 13" coleman rotor rather than the 12.4". The only real functional difference is the piston sizes in the 99 setup.
No, the actual rotor is about 1.25" thick, rather than .875" for the stock. That has no effect on the shape of the pads, they just mount out wider to accomodate. The rotor is also 12.4" rather than 11.6"... so they just position the caliper and pads out further... the annulus (sp?) isn't a different enough shape to warrant a different shape pad...
They really aren't much different than what Mandeville does... he just uses spacers to widen the caliper, position it further out... but his setup uses a two-piece, 13" coleman rotor rather than the 12.4". The only real functional difference is the piston sizes in the 99 setup.
Originally posted by RotorMotor
so if the rotors are wider how do they use the same pads? they need to cover more surface area.... do they tilt the pads sideways or something? or is it that the part of the rotor that is being squeezed is moved farther out (on the larger caliper) and therefore has more leverage... but not more actual area?
so if the rotors are wider how do they use the same pads? they need to cover more surface area.... do they tilt the pads sideways or something? or is it that the part of the rotor that is being squeezed is moved farther out (on the larger caliper) and therefore has more leverage... but not more actual area?
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