TweakGames

iTrader: (3)

Hi hi. I am basically getting my car all ready for this next season. I have tons of bushing and such I need to install but I am confused about some things.

Do I need a pair of adjustable rear lateral links? Is that what I use to adjust toe in? If so, from what I can see it would cause massive binding??

Do I need/want the awr spherical bearings?

(I got the single, and individual camber adjusters, and solid rear subframe bushings) Is there anything else I need?

Thanks
~Tweak

SCCAITS

iTrader: (3)

If you want it all, you need this...

1. MMR, AWR, or Mazdatrix solid subframe bushings
2. AWR, MMR, or ISC outer control arm spherical bearings
3. AWR or MMR individual camber adjusters
4. AWR adjustable toe link kit
5. DTSS delete, many sources
6. Custom delrin/stainless upper hub to control arm bushing (there is a thread about that in this section)

Toe can be adjusted with the factory cam bolts/washers which works but does not hold toe that great in extreme use. The adjustable toe link kit from AWR holds toe much better. I have all of the above if you need more info.

TweakGames

iTrader: (3)

Thank you SCCAITS! I have been reading over a lot of your posts for information and help. Thank you for sharing all your information and knowledge. I have took off the whole rear subframe multiple times converting from NA to turbo to NA to turbo lol, but when I try to figure out how it all works by looking at the FSM I just get confused.

Luckily I have most of the stuff above, and the things I don't have MMR makes for much cheaper. It seems as though AWR is the only company that makes the adjustable toe links? Their website says modifications are required (and from looking at the pics it seems like something needs to be cut or something). You said you have them installed, do you have any pictures of the modification and how they look installed?

Thanks again!
~Tweak

drftwerks

iTrader: (1)

supernow has toe.

look at rhd japan.

TweakGames

iTrader: (3)

Yeup! You are right.

http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm-low/Supe...3S-RX-7-50167#

About the same price too when you add shipping to AWR.

Thanks.

Black91n/a

Between AWR and MMR for the spherical bearings, I like the MMR design better, but I'd question the quality of the bearings themselves and I question their use of relatively low grade aluminum. I'd bet that over time it develops a bunch of slop.

Camber adjusters, same thing, I like the AWR ones better, and you won't have to remove them to adjust them, HUGE plus.

I *think* that the modifications required for the toe links is that you've got to drill out the tapered holes to accept a bolt as required for the spherical bearings.

HotRodMex

iTrader: (3)

This is true of the AWR ones (and some others I've seen), but the SuperNow ones come with a tapered bolt to fit into the stock recess. No drilling.

SCCAITS

iTrader: (3)

AWR toe links - yes, you drill a 5/8" hole, that's the only modification as the factory hole is tapered. (Factory hole is around 1/2" so there is not much enlarging). The toe links are top notch and are much more complex than they look in the picture. The AWR ones have custom machined sleeves for the heim joints and subframe/control arm mounting points. They look way better than those Supernow pictured. I definitely recommend the AWR ones.

MMR told me in early Nov. 2008 they were coming out with adjustable toe links by Dec. 2008 but I have not seen such.

MMR individual camber adjusters do not have to be removed to be adjusted, you adjust on the car.

My rear suspension is...

Mazdatrix Delrin subframe
AWR spherical control arms
MMR individual camber adjusters
Mazdaspeed single camber adjuster
AWR adjustable toe links
Mazdaspeed aluminum DTSS
Custom Delrin/stainless upper hub to control arm bushing
AWR upper shock mounts/threaded sleeves/lower perches
Koni custom double adjustables
Hypercoil springs

If you need pics of anything, I probably have.

Black91n/a

Ok, I retract the previous statement about the MMR camber links, but I still like the AWR individual adjusters better. I'd bet that the AWR toe links are also stronger than the Super Now ones at least partly due to the bigger fastener.

Kalle

These AWR camber adjusters dont seem to have any ball joints?



Wont it affect the handling/operation of the rear arm movement?

Compared to MMR

Black91n/a

They don't need to twist relative to the axis. Those AWR ones work just fine.

cone_crushr

iTrader: (18)

If the links don't need spherical ends, then why do the stock ones have them? You can live without the ball joints, but the AWR versions seem like a marginal solution.

Josh18_2k

iTrader: (3)

you really dont the the adj lateral links. spherical control arm bearing retain the OWM toe adjustability. get everything else tho..
for camber, do most your adjustment with the individuals, and leave the center bar as close to stock length as you can. it changes your pinion angle, so it should be more of a last resort adjustment if you cant get camber where you want it.