Coilover Feedback (FD3S)
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Coilover Feedback (FD3S)
Gents,
I am in the market for some new footwork and I am looking for some feedback based on experience. The car is intended to be smooth but powerful and should have a nice balance of performance and ride quality. It will be primarily a street driver but should have some track capability. Based on that I have done the research and read the brochures but I am looking for a little more insight. As of now I have narrowed my options down as follows.
- Ohlins road and track
- Cusco zero-3x
- Biot: Trois for street or Cinq for track
- Re Amemiya Quantum RE Spec
I feel the Ohlins and Biot Trois are more tailored for street applications. But the Cuscos and Biot Cinqs are not too much more money, I am only worried they might be too aggressive. The REA Quantums are considerably more expensive but they may also be worth the money.
Your thoughts?
Cheers,
Steven
I am in the market for some new footwork and I am looking for some feedback based on experience. The car is intended to be smooth but powerful and should have a nice balance of performance and ride quality. It will be primarily a street driver but should have some track capability. Based on that I have done the research and read the brochures but I am looking for a little more insight. As of now I have narrowed my options down as follows.
- Ohlins road and track
- Cusco zero-3x
- Biot: Trois for street or Cinq for track
- Re Amemiya Quantum RE Spec
I feel the Ohlins and Biot Trois are more tailored for street applications. But the Cuscos and Biot Cinqs are not too much more money, I am only worried they might be too aggressive. The REA Quantums are considerably more expensive but they may also be worth the money.
Your thoughts?
Cheers,
Steven
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The Ohlins R&T are *amazing* on the street despite highish (for street) 11k/11k spring rates. Their ability to soak up bumps is phenomenal!
Same front/rear spring rates give rear stiffness bias, though. Now that I've tried them, I would have gone ahead and ordered them with 13k front springs and had the front dampers revalved stiffer for the stiffer springs. For primarily street application I would order them with 9k rears and leave the damping alone, plenty of adjustment range on the soft side.
FWIW they recommend 10 clicks out front and rear with the standard 11k/11k springs, but even on the street that felt underdamped to me. I wound up at 6 clicks out front and rear on the street, and 4 clicks front/5 clicks rear at the track.
I was coming from 9k/7k Tein SS (way too much high-speed damping, not nearly enough low-speed damping), which was pretty well balanced f/r at the track. I wound up disconnecting the rear bar with the 11k/11k Ohlins. So IMO the staggered spring rates you usually see in FD coilovers are probably appropriate.
If my motion ratios are correct (.60-62 front, .68-.71 rear?), the wheel rates with 11k/11k are ~4.1kg/mm front, ~5.1 kg/mm rear, so effective wheel rate/stiffness is significantly biased to the rear.
I don't know anything about the other coilovers mentioned, but for a street car that goes to the track occasionally, the Ohlins DFV are fricking AMAZING. I literally went from practically parking the car before any bumps or potholes and going WAY out of my way to maneuver around them, to gliding smooovely over them, while at the same time getting significantly better low-speed damping control in braking/cornering. HUGE improvement over the Tein SS I had, which were becoming intolerable for me on the street.
Same front/rear spring rates give rear stiffness bias, though. Now that I've tried them, I would have gone ahead and ordered them with 13k front springs and had the front dampers revalved stiffer for the stiffer springs. For primarily street application I would order them with 9k rears and leave the damping alone, plenty of adjustment range on the soft side.
FWIW they recommend 10 clicks out front and rear with the standard 11k/11k springs, but even on the street that felt underdamped to me. I wound up at 6 clicks out front and rear on the street, and 4 clicks front/5 clicks rear at the track.
I was coming from 9k/7k Tein SS (way too much high-speed damping, not nearly enough low-speed damping), which was pretty well balanced f/r at the track. I wound up disconnecting the rear bar with the 11k/11k Ohlins. So IMO the staggered spring rates you usually see in FD coilovers are probably appropriate.
If my motion ratios are correct (.60-62 front, .68-.71 rear?), the wheel rates with 11k/11k are ~4.1kg/mm front, ~5.1 kg/mm rear, so effective wheel rate/stiffness is significantly biased to the rear.
I don't know anything about the other coilovers mentioned, but for a street car that goes to the track occasionally, the Ohlins DFV are fricking AMAZING. I literally went from practically parking the car before any bumps or potholes and going WAY out of my way to maneuver around them, to gliding smooovely over them, while at the same time getting significantly better low-speed damping control in braking/cornering. HUGE improvement over the Tein SS I had, which were becoming intolerable for me on the street.
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The re-a quantums will be too stiff for a street driver, you might be able to get away with the quantum rm-5's since the nova springs are 14k front and rear. Depends on your budget but Ohlins or Aragosta would be my recommendation.
We just took in a set of Ohlins PCV in inventory from Japan, blowing out for a special of $1399 if you are interested. 1 year full warranty from us.
We just took in a set of Ohlins PCV in inventory from Japan, blowing out for a special of $1399 if you are interested. 1 year full warranty from us.
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I just installed some new coilovers on my FD last week.
I replaced my old HKS Hiper D's with BC Gold’s with 10kg / 8kg springs.
So far I really like them; they are much smoother then my old HKS units and are very well priced.
There is a 100+ page review thread on them on a large Subaru forum where they have mostly received rave reviews.
A major plus is that these are actually supported where I live, so rebuilding them dosent cost $500 a pair.
I had the HKS units for about 6 years. I had the rears rebuilt a couple of years ago at a cost of around $500. I recently failed a safety inspection as one of my front shocks was leaking, that’s when I decided to get the BC's, instead of forking out another $500 to have the front pair of HKS units rebuilt when the rears probably aren’t far behind dying themselves.
So far im very happy with the BC's, they ride great and the clunking in my rear is gone! (i always thought it was my pillow *****) It’s also great knowing im not going to have to fork out $500 to have 2 old shocks rebuilt.
I know they aren’t on your list but im very happy with them so thought I’d throw it out there as another well priced option to think about.
I replaced my old HKS Hiper D's with BC Gold’s with 10kg / 8kg springs.
So far I really like them; they are much smoother then my old HKS units and are very well priced.
There is a 100+ page review thread on them on a large Subaru forum where they have mostly received rave reviews.
A major plus is that these are actually supported where I live, so rebuilding them dosent cost $500 a pair.
I had the HKS units for about 6 years. I had the rears rebuilt a couple of years ago at a cost of around $500. I recently failed a safety inspection as one of my front shocks was leaking, that’s when I decided to get the BC's, instead of forking out another $500 to have the front pair of HKS units rebuilt when the rears probably aren’t far behind dying themselves.
So far im very happy with the BC's, they ride great and the clunking in my rear is gone! (i always thought it was my pillow *****) It’s also great knowing im not going to have to fork out $500 to have 2 old shocks rebuilt.
I know they aren’t on your list but im very happy with them so thought I’d throw it out there as another well priced option to think about.
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Out of embarrassment, no, I will not personally divulge the price. However, I did tell Patrick from RHDjapan that if he were to add them to his website I would order a set. "Ask and it shall be done", he replied. So....
Aragosta Type-SS Coilover Suspension - 3-Way Option RX-7 FD3S - RHDJapan
And I held up my end of the accord.
Please take it easy with beatings.
Cheers,
Steven
Aragosta Type-SS Coilover Suspension - 3-Way Option RX-7 FD3S - RHDJapan
And I held up my end of the accord.
Please take it easy with beatings.
Cheers,
Steven
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I didn't think it was too bad either, relatively speaking of course, I did receive a few quotes from others and Patrick's was the best.
As for mounting the reservoirs, where is indeed the question, I am still thinking things through. However, any insight would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
Cheers,
Steven
As for mounting the reservoirs, where is indeed the question, I am still thinking things through. However, any insight would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
Cheers,
Steven
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