rynberg

Every team in any form of road racing in the world runs the widest tires available under the rules. So just keep on believing stretched tires offer better performance. You guys are clueless.

Dorifto_PG

You're retarded if you think that BMW would intentionally run the widest tires available under the regs, and mistakenly make their rims just a little too wide.

Like OH **** guys, we can't make another run of wheels to fit our car and tires, we're just going to have to use these I found in the warehouse.



So, while the tires are the max width allowable, the rims are wider, stretching the tires on that 3.0 CSL. Why? Perhaps because it is the way they setup that car. Or did they just do it to look stupid and clueless?


You guys are equally as dumb thinking that the WIDEST tires you can stuff under the car on the recommended wheel is ALWAYS WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION the BEST setup for EVERY car. Get real.




p.s. You guys can jsut read a bunch of books and drive your cars every other weekend when you go down the street to get it detailed, and we'll keep on doing what works in our setup every other weekend when we drive the damn things on the track with our "unsafe" wheel and tire packages.




p.p.s. beauty in the eye of the beholder. But on a grip car, yea I'd definitely put those CE28Ns on... not cause they look cool though. Cause they are lighter than TE37s by a little bit, and they also are holding a nice big sticky tire. It fits the purpose of the car. Likewise, lets run the stretched tires on the drift cars, cause that's what has been working best, for OUR own personal setups. How does this not make sense to you guys? Not everything is black or white, the world is full of colors...

rynberg

You keep making stupid assumptions about how we drive our cars....and they're wrong.

BTW, racing series have restrictions on wheel width as well, genius. You dug up one picture of one BMW with a stretched wheel setup with no context whatsoever. So f**king what?

Drifting isn't about performance. A 285/30 tire on a 10" rim is going to perform better than a 225/40 tire on a 10" rim. Anyone who thinks differently should seriously think about pulling their head out of their orifice.

yusoslo

Wow this topic got Rynburg's panties in a bunch! haha some people take "tha internets" too seriously.

THIS IS NOT A DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS....THIS IS A DIFFERENCE OF APPLICATIONS TO VEHICLE USAGE

Like stated before it's obvious on a car built for grip/time attack/road coarse. you want a lot of contact patch because traction is your goal. So throw on your big meaty tires

Autocross, 99% of the people do not run 335mm wide hoosier slicks on a 60mph max course. they prefer a more rotatable setup and run appropiately size tires.

In a sport like drifting traction is not the goal, so if you are constantly in a non-traction state and a PRELOADED sidewall gives you less unsettling between your trasition drifts than I say go for it. That is the only locigal reason beside asthetics to strech the tire.

BTW reread what I just said cause it makes a lot of damn sense.

PS..anyone know a GOOD tire shop that will mount a set of PEP-BOYS 195/50/15 tires on my 15x12" ET -40 rims??????

HAHA

Dorifto_PG

Well then, out-of-context, see that the ******* car is FLYING through the air with stretched tires on the most notorious track in the world and realize it can't be the worst thing ever.


Don't make me dig up pictured of them running stretched tires when the car is on the ground, actually racing, and not jus tthe 3.0 CSL! 320i IMSA 1.5L 750bhp car! ANd 320i Junior car. And don't get me started on Porsche 935s and 917s and 907s and the list goes on....



"Performace"? In drifting, the performance on your tire size has to do with your power. Are you assuming that the car running a 285 will have what? 500 hp? Of COURSE a 225 won't perform as well. No ******* ****. But if you're talking lets say FC making 200rwhp, damn right the 225 will PERFORM better, cause you wouldn't even get sideways with a 285! And you'd fail. And you would not get a high score. And you would not win anything or impress any highschool bitches. Therefore the 285 would not perform very well.



How can you not comprehend that?




That's like saying a 21 speed road bike is obviously faster than a bmx bike. Ok, yes. But would you take a 21 speed into a halfpipe at the xgames? Uhhh I am going to go out on a limb here and say no. I am not a huge bike nerd, that's just what popped into my head.

Dorifto_PG

Pretty much. Except I would like to add one thing.... Drifting is about controlling the amount of traction you have, not seeking out a non-traction state.

You want to accelerate while drifting, not spin out. So you actually just set up the chassis and suspension to be very responsive, get sideways, and control the amount of grip your rear wheels have by how much they are spinning or gripping. Its much more than just sliding and fish-tailing.



That's just what I wanted to add, since i think there is a difference. Other than that, what you said is spot on.

Slammedblk7

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Im guessing everyone is stretching their tires now because, they're on the path to becoming professional drifters?

Seriously, lovingthefc3s.

You have a tremendous gap in the rear wheel well. What gives to "need" to run stretched tires?

275/40-17 Nitto Drags...Speaking of predictable, these tires are pretty predictable off the line.

Slammedblk7

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Im confused. If you want small tires for drifting, then why not just run small widths?

Dorifto_PG

I actually placed 3rd overall last season in the West Division for Pro/Am national drift series, and went out to compete in the National Championship in Laughlin, NV. I'm Part of Drift Alliance and also sponsored by various companies/shops.

I like my life and my career so i don't want to give up everything to "be a pro" and spend all my time and effort traveling around the country, but I'm a far cry from sliding a stock car in a Walmart parking lot, ok?


As for run smaller widths? Did you not read how the stretch makes the tire react more consistently when balancing on the point of traction, or loss of it? It won't flex and wiggle and slide around and upset your car like a "normal" combo would. If you don't think I'm right, that's fine. But I'm going off experience in the real world, where are you getting your argument? Theory? Conjecture? Judging by the type of rear tires you run, i'm going to assume you drag race.... did I ever tell you that running stretched tires is better for drag racing? Am I successful drag racer? No. Therefore I don't interject with useless and unfounded suggestions towards you and your hobby.

Slammedblk7

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I have alot of friends that are for drifting, I am one of the few that isnt. I know a few that run stock wheels and can drift the hell out of their car with well set up suspension and supporting mods. Im suprised they dont compete, point is... if Ive seen it done with that set up..is the stretched tire to compensate for lack-of?

and stretched for drag racing? thats a first. you might want to enlighten all the pro drag racer on that one.

Dorifto_PG

I think you got the wrong impression of my post. I am an advocate for stretched tires for drifting, not anything else. I think its useful in fine tuning the setup of the car, and I find many sports cars from the 70s and 80s in race trim are running a stretched tire. I like the response more than the wiggle feel of a narrow wheel and wide tire.



Is it necessary? no. Do I like the way it feels and looks on my car? Yes. Does anyone else? Well, if you don't, just trust that I know what I'm doing. I'm not where I am today because I don't know how to set up a car properly....

rynberg

Dorifto:

You came flying into this thread half-cocked without even reading the earlier posts. Point out where any of us said this setup didn't work for drifting or said it was unsafe.

I made the comment that no tire manufacturer would recommend that big a stretch. Not a single one. Personally, I consider that to be an indicator that it may not be safe, but it is obviously done.

I'll say again, drifting is not about performance. Perhaps you should look up the term. I can't comment on whether a stretched tire makes it easier to control a drift or not. All I can comment on is that it will have less grip than a tire designed for that wheel width, which is FACT. Grip = performance. No one in this thread said that proper width tires will be better for drifting, because the rest of us were talking about PERFORMANCE.

As far as looks go, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I really don't see how anyone would prefer the top picture to the bottom one in my post above.

lovingthefc3s

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Hey guys.......holy **** theres some energy in this thread! Ok, to set the record straight, I only wanted to know if 225 tires would fit because I had the tires from my old wheels and wanted to utilize them. Anyway, I;m past that. Now i have 255/35 Donlop 9000 rigs, and am putting 235/35's on the front, heres the pics. Let me know what you think. -Dustin

also, I'm getting it painted Black soon.
notice the shaved trim all around and the shaved front and rear bumper. How does it look? later guys

unicorn_squad

this thread fails so hard it is awesome.

lindsay = FTW.

yusoslo

Lindsay......Loham???

There is no stretch in that girl at all. She hangs loose like sleeve of wizard.

wptrx7

Since no one asked you and just jumped the gun, what are you using the car for to need/want a strecth tire?

unicorn_squad

what the hell are most people on here using their car for, for wanting a 275 in the back? street driving? I bet at LEAST 50% of the people on here that jam huge tires on their car don't use it for anything other than driving around the street.

rynberg

Sorry, maybe you should drive even a lightly modified FD....you'd discover you can use all the rubber you can stuff back there, even in street driving. Why don't you call out GM, Dodge, Ferrari, Porsche, etc, for sticking 305+ width tires in the backs of their supercars?

Dorifto_PG

FD3S=Ferrari Enzo?

Damn, now that I look at it that way, FD3S is a really good deal!

Trots*88TII-AE*

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Nice wheel fitment, looks good!


There are people who can hit over 500hp with simple streetports, so if you do it with a full bridge does that mean you'd be compensating for lack-of proper tuning or turbo sizing? It's natural in any sport to exploit any advantages you can. Just because someone else can do it the same with a lesser setup is not a reason NOT to run something... I'm not an advocate for drifting or stretching tires, but what you said is a load of bull.

P.S. why do people get their panties in a bunch about other people's choice of style? who gives a ****?

peachykeenwight

You're just as dumb now as you were when you called Jim Labreck's FD a "monster truck" when it had no engine in it.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the majority of people prefer going in a straight line on public roads when they punch it in first or second gear -- and yes, a lightly modded FD will break 225s loose in either of those situations. Rynberg is right, more rubber = more performance... end of story.

Do the REAL performance driving sports a favor by staying in your mad-tyte super stretched tire, zip-tied front bumper drifting bullshit world.

unicorn_squad

stay out of the mad-tyte super stretched tire, ziptied bumper drifting bullshit world and we'll call it a deal. end of story. done. finished. over. final.

FYI, you'll notice that none of us 'mad tyte drifter stretched tire ziptied bumper' **** enter your 'my tires are huge' threads saying that you should stretch. its just you people that come into a little thread about a slightly stretched tires and start ****.

exactly.

Dorifto_PG

Yea, my stupid ziptied mad-tyte piece of crap FC breaks 255s loose going in a straight line in 3rd. Whoopty ******* doo.


I like how "REAL performance driving sports" to you is breaking tires loose while "punching" it in 1st and 2nd going in a straight line on a public road. Bravo. Bravo.

So more rubber=more performance... end of story. I'll throw some 335s on my car, will you guys will think i'm cool then?



Rynberg, I can at least argue back and forth with you and eventually something either funny or productive comes out of it. I know you are a very knowledgeable guy, and most of the time I'm just playing Devil's Advocate to see if I can sway some narrow minds, but c'mon, IS THIS GUY FOR REAL!!??? Please come back into this thread so we can discuss the more intricate aspects of stretching tires, or even properly setting up a car for a certain motorsport.

rynberg

I do not get full traction until about 60 mph in my FD, on a colder day, the rears break loose on the 2-3 shift at 70 mph. This is with decent 265 width rear tires. Do you want to argue with me that I don't need more rear traction? Then again, you probably will.

Maybe some of us want to make sure the OP knows what he is doing instead of following some fad. The OP never said he was interested in drifting, he was just asking about a tire fitment!

Even you admit a 285 tire on a 10" rim has more grip than a 225 tire on a 10" rim, so you guys coming into a PERFORMANCE fitment thread would look a little silly, wouldn't it?

I have purposely not posted in the last few threads you guys have had on stretched tires because I knew the audience, but this thread did not start out that way, hence my involvement....

Dorifto_PG

Agreed. I dunno how it got onto the topic of drifting so much, I presume because that's the main "perpetrator" for the stretched tires fad. In fact, if you are stretching tires BECAUSE of a fad, that's the gayest **** since a WHAM! reunion tour.

I stretch tires because it works best for my car and it's current intended use. I would not set up a grip car and a drift car entirely the same.

But if the PERFORMANCE of the tires is to not deflect under high slip angles, a stretched one will "perform" better than if that tire were mounted to a narrower wheel. My point with these arguments is that there is always 2 sides to a coin.