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alingment settings for AutoX

Old Apr 22, 2003 | 10:10 PM
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alingment settings for AutoX

but primary use is street, and just fast fun driving. Eibach pro Kit springs/Billstien HD struts?HKS Purple sway bars? Widefoot frt bar mts. Toyo RA1 tires... Thanks in advance, Carter
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 12:12 AM
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do it at C2.

mine set to:

Front
Camber -2.2
Toe -0.01 (out)

Rear
Camber -1.5
Toe 0.03 (in)

These are on 245/45/16 Yoko ES 100
I start with this, when I get agresive, I will get -2.5 camber for front and around -2.2 rear

Don't worry about tire wear, because at autocross, the wear on the outside is much more than that much camber on street driving.
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 07:58 AM
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Thanks for the info..Carter
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 08:15 AM
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I am already "agressive" and I have less than 2 degrees negative on all four corners....Race tire wear has been superb as well.

I know nothing of the HKS bars, do you know their diameter?

With your primary use as street I would not bother putting more than 1.5 degrees negative anywhere on the car unless you just really like to buy tires; 1.5 is plenty.
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 08:55 AM
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Hope your tires are symmetrical ... so you can flop 'em as the camber will wear away tread unevenly. Like Damon says, you will wear through tires QUICK. Camber will eat them up some, but the toe out will really chew up tires. It's a give-and-take .... trading treadwear for instantaneous response and grip. I sure don't mind.

Also, camber and caster are on the same eccentric (Front only); so the more camber you dial in, the less caster you'll have available (and vice versa). This is important for all us auto-xers and road racers. Toe is independent, so run what you want. I run a lot more toe out than reza ...
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 12:20 PM
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I rarely drive my car other than autocross or some rx-7 meeting.
Thus what happened is my outside edge worn much faster than the inside edge with those camber, specially the rear. I maybe pushing too much in turn at autocross, still learning to do good and be smooth at autocross.
The tire still have hair in the inside edge, while on the outside edge it almost eaten the sidewall.
Perhaps tire pressure. I am running 35F and 32R

William at C2 can advice you on how much camber you want to run. He would analyze your tire wear to determine how much camber you want to run. Toe setting is always personal, really depends on the driver like redrotor1 said.

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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 09:46 PM
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Thank for all info.. Made necessary adjustment, Drives great now! PS These TOYO RA1's have Monster Grip! Thanks again, Carter
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 11:33 PM
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Carter, you're mine on sunday The SUPIG...
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Old Apr 23, 2003 | 11:34 PM
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Seriously, we will see how your tires are working on sunday, I will bring my pyrometer. Carl
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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 02:43 AM
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So both of you are in the SFR region SCCA autocross?
I have never met you. What class are you guys in ? I am in the ASP in Silver FD.

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Old Apr 24, 2003 | 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by cartervs
Thank for all info.. Made necessary adjustment, Drives great now! PS These TOYO RA1's have Monster Grip! Thanks again, Carter
If you think the RA1's have monster grip, wait until you move up into a set of Kumho V700's or some Hoosier A3S03's .... yeehaw.
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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 01:15 AM
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Old thread...

Anyway I run GAB R shock, Eibach springs and 245/45/16 Kuhmos.

-1.2 all the way around.

When I had stock suspension in Super Stock I ran -1.5 front and -1.2 rear. When I added the suspension mods that was too much camber up front.

-2.2 or -2.5 is too much, won't work well for you.
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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 12:23 PM
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mine is Tokico with eibach spring, too soft, and lots of body roll, thus needing more camber.
I was told that when I change back to coil over or just GAB R shock, I would not need as much...

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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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Reza, I do not autocross w/SCCA. I ran with AAX last year in SAC in a blue 97 tt Supra. I am building a beast of an FC(widebody,500rwhp) for NASA super unlimited. I will autocross it but my 17x12 rims kick me into prepared class. Side note, I beat Jack VanWetterings red tube frame bug by almost a second on a tight 30 second course with my Supra TT on Sunday For those of you who might be curious that Red bug was VW magazines entry in the G Force Challenge(sport compact car magazine) two years ago. See ya, Carl Byck
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Old Apr 28, 2003 | 07:21 PM
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let me know next time you have an event.
I will co-drive my friend car for National Tour and possible Pro Solo.
Thus we will be busy in the next two weekends.

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Old May 2, 2003 | 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by in2twins
Reza, I do not autocross w/SCCA. I ran with AAX last year in SAC in a blue 97 tt Supra. I am building a beast of an FC(widebody,500rwhp) for NASA super unlimited. I will autocross it but my 17x12 rims kick me into prepared class. Side note, I beat Jack VanWetterings red tube frame bug by almost a second on a tight 30 second course with my Supra TT on Sunday For those of you who might be curious that Red bug was VW magazines entry in the G Force Challenge(sport compact car magazine) two years ago. See ya, Carl Byck
I've beat Jack to, although not by a second on a 30 sec course. That bug is pretty bad ***!

Are you in Nor Cal?


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Old May 3, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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I agree with Damon ... -2 will wear quickly. Also toe out in the front makes for a great auto-x setup. However you many find you really dislike it on the street. The car will be more dart like. It will grab any uneven surface and pull the car. Some like this because it is very race oriented ... others hate it. I have yet to find someone who is middle ground. I would recommend a nuetral setting if you find you don't like toe out in the front.
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Old May 3, 2003 | 11:18 PM
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"I've beat Jack to, although not by a second on a 30 sec course. That bug is pretty bad ***!

Are you in Nor Cal?


Jeff"
Yes, I'm in Santa Rosa, listen to us gloating over killing a bug... Actually it was Marty his co-driver (sometimes faster, sometimes not). We have another autocross May 11th if any one is interested give me a call 707-696-2705
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Old May 4, 2003 | 01:27 AM
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People may laugh at a "VW bug" but I'd bet he would kick 98% of the members on the forum.

May 11th? I'd love to go, but I think that is Mother's day weekend. My wife would kill me.
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Old May 4, 2003 | 11:07 AM
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Jeff, get her a spa package, send her to Sonoma, or Calistoga, and come to the dark side Either that or tell her on Saturday that you couldn't wait one more day to celebrate mothers day, after, on sunday morning lament about what a beautiful day to go racing it is . Where are you, obviously not in Eugene. Carl
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Old May 5, 2003 | 04:15 PM
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How do you adjust toe in/out on an FC? Need an aftermarket part or what?
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Old May 6, 2003 | 09:51 PM
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Jeff, get her a spa package, send her to Sonoma, or Calistoga, and come to the dark side Either that or tell her on Saturday that you couldn't wait one more day to celebrate mothers day, after, on sunday morning lament about what a beautiful day to go racing it is . Where are you, obviously not in Eugene. Carl
She'd love the spa!

I am in Eugene, Jack VW and Marty (?) come up to Medford Or and I head down there. Medford has a bitchin' little go-kart track. Run times are typically 1.5-2 minutes. Twice a year they have a event where run times are a little over 4 min for me.

You ought to come up to Medford some time, only 40 ish cars show up, often they have a practice day the day before, unlimited runs!

http://www.ssccmedford.com/images/Image0055.jpg

http://www.ssccmedford.com/SchedulesResults.htm
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