unicorn_squad

hella is so norcal.

and no, stretching isn't dangerous, regardless of whether you like it or not.

RiceFx306

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haha wrong. Anything done in MODERATION isn't bad. Trucks have been stretching tires for years 35x15.5x16.5" tires on 16.5x12" rims. There is a limit for safety. The Silver Tacoma I posted up has 37x14.5 on 16x17" rims. Two extremes in opposite directions both a bit more than I'd like. Now if you're going to stretch a tire with a smaller sidewall you're telling me that it can't be dangerous? When you lose your bead don't blame me, because "It's not dangerous." But then again...that's how it is whether I like it or not....right?

unicorn_squad

maybe if you're stretching those huge sidewall truck tires, then it could be dangerous... I dunno anything about those.

but with low profile sporty tires, no they won't unseat any easier than a 'normal' fitting tire, even if you think it looks like it will. I have gone past the limits of tire stretching, and the limits of the tire's grip, and I've never had a tire unseat, or even seen one unseat due to it being stretched.

RiceFx306

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Ok maybe you're not following. It will unseat easier than a "normal" fitting tire given any parameters. Every wonder why many of the tire places won't do stretch tires? Given the stretch isn't too extreme it's not too bad but some of the stretches are pretty rediculous. Assume a: slow leak, leaking valve stem, dropping tire off a road on an edge...potential wrong pothole. I'm not by any means saying I'm against it, just saying that it's absolutely safe is a false tense for someone who is reading that takes things on the forum as "truth". I don't want people to get the wrong impression is all. It's not bad in moderation...key word: moderation. Haha this isn't an attack on you at all so please don't take it that way. Just to show I have no biased against the stretched look here's a few pics of my personal friends car that I totally envy.

impact02

so i see you're from Kauai, aurtye 808. That Infinity you posted is on Kauai? Didn't know guys over there were into vip, lookin proper

unicorn_squad

I disagree, it will not unseat easier than a 'normal' tire. what information experience do you have to show this other than 'tire shops won't mount them' ?
tire shops practically won't mount anything thats not a brand new tire on a small wheel.
anything will come unmounted if tire pressure is too low. and anything will come unmounted if you hit something wrong. I've had tires at the extremes of being stretched, driven on the street and track. I've hit wall, potholes, dips, curbed wheels, jumped my car, dropped wheels off the drack, jumped the whole car off the track. I've never had a tire come unseated.

RE TurboII

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my friend matts car, has no problem with his 235/40's on his 11" coming off

unicorn_squad

haha yes. I love matt.
and this is mine. no problems at all, and I was hitting the same as matt in the second picture.






hahahaha.

RE TurboII

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if you know matt, you prolly know tommy

RiceFx306

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so a properly sized tire will unseat from being under inflated? I doubt nearly as quickly as an extrmely stretched tire. ONCE AGAIN...I did say "extreme". Just because it works for you doesn't mean that it's not possible. You probably monitor your tire pressure more than your standard street roamer might. It's just a simple idea. There's a bead. If you have a tire putting horizontal force on that bead what does that tell you? There's a reason there are beadlock wheels and tires for trucks with oversized tires is that they would deflate them for bigger and grippier footprint. So quit trying to be the Moses of tire stretching and keep in mind what I'm saying. It's alright in moderation. It looks cool sure (opinionated, but I'd agree to an EXTENT)...but a lot of that stuff is ridiculous and shouldn't be proclimated as "safe". You're expert opinion would be "well it didn't happen to me." It's like an RX7 installing I/DP/MP/IC/E and then throttling around and saying his motor didn't blow up. I'm trying to say in moderation things might still be in the safe zone, but if you tell people that it's not a problem because it didn't happen in an instance doesn't mean it's "not dangerous". Haha...once again. Not a personal attack, just don't like underqualified people to make an assessment and present it as factual. Regardless do what you want, think what you want, I don't really care about what you do to your car, but I'd be a little more cautious of what you tell other people about theirs. Another good thread going on right now on this in pro's and cons...seems like Mike is a pretty smart guy...didn't see much of an arguement in there, but perhaps I should have just simplified the message and you would have understood:

Haha...if you still don't get what I'm saying I'll pull the two key words (adjectives) out for you to see and then maybe you can start connecting the dots a bit better. Draw a web if it helps (note there will be two seperate webs. You'll see the bigger picture and perhaps not nit pick little things that you don't like.

1. Extreme
2. Moderate



And if you still disagree then I can just agree to disagree. I've just learned that keeping your mind open is how you learn. The one that thinks he knows all is the one who quits learning.

unicorn_squad

yes, a properly sized tire will absolutely unseat from being underinflated.
underinflation is a problem weather the tire is stretched or not.

you think my opinion is underqualified, yet you are telling people its dangerous when you have absolutely no experience at all with it?
I understand you're saying its okay 'too a point', but either way, you have absolutely no experience with stretching high performance tires, AT ALL, so why are you acting like you know something about it?

while you may not think my (and many others) experience with it is not 'factual' information, it is much more so than you're logic telling you 'oh that doesn't look safe', yet you are telling everyone your opinion is fact....

ptrhahn

iTrader: (9)

Honestly, why is this cool? It looks ridiculous.

RiceFx306

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It's simple. Underinflated standard sized tire will be way more likely stay on the bead than a tire that is HELD to the bead by air pressure. One is way more dependent on pressure. It's not rocket science.

unicorn_squad

lol. either way,
if you're tire looses air pressure, its either gonna blow up, or unseat...

take your choice. either way won't be pretty.

RiceFx306

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Also I don't think your opinion in underqualified. I think your statement doesn't have nearly enough support to presented as factual. Hell I don't think you need to be a brain to put together a theory...just there's a process before you can present that theory as law.

unicorn_squad

and your statement does have enough support to be factual?

RiceFx306

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But there's much more of a warning as you can see the sidewall flexing as pressure drops and adjest from there. With those EXCESSIVE stretched tires how much do you see the sidewall giving in event of underinflation. Fact is there's a greater safety margin of variance in a more properly sized wheel/tire combo. Like I said...I have no issues with a moderate stretch as it still has a bit of a safety margin in it, but excessive lacks it. On trucks we regularly underinflate our tires down to 20 psi to go out to the beach and on the sand (we don't have the baywatch beach sand where sedans can drive right out). That's a pretty good safety margin comparitively. Thanks for the debate and not letting it get ugly.

RiceFx306

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Yeah there's a few guys on Kauai that are into the whole Bippu scene, but most are hesitant to going in it since the scene hasn't continued to show growth. That's the only real VIP styled car on the island. Can't quite keep up with Oahu though. I'll be sure to pass your compliment on

RiceFx306

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I don't recall stating that a stretch is dangerous. I simply disagreed with you stating that it is safe.

USS CJ

Wow,

Listen to this guy.

I hate Texas soooo much. TAKE IT BACK MEXICO! TAKE IT BACK

RiceFx306

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Means a lot coming from a guy who post pics of himself blowing lines on RX7club under the title 'God Bless America'. Real classy with as many people that have served on an off our forums. Also nice collection of empty $30 bottles of alcohol you got going on there.

USS CJ

1. There is No God
2. Me Blowing lines has 0 to do with the Military
3. What the **** are you talking about thats relevant to this thread?

TAKE IT BACK MEXICO!!!

RiceFx306

iTrader: (7)

USS CJ

hahaha

Myth

wow lol