18 Inch Te37 Mag
10-12-03, 12:53 PM
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18 Inch Te37 Mag
What is the big deal? Yeah they are magnesium and they are forged, but how do they compare to forged aluminum? Are they that much stronger or lighter? Also, if they are that much better, I want forged mag wheels. Yeah it'll take a while to get them, but oh well. I just wanted to know if there is a place that sells 17 inch forged mag wheels. Of course sizes for the 7(3rd gen)
10-18-03, 01:27 PM
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The TE37 wheels are forged alloy and do not contain magnesium. They are light and fairly strong due to the forging process and wheel design. An alloy is a compound metal (made up of different metals).
You don't want magnesium wheels. They are brittle, oxidize quickly and can catch on fire when exposed to heat (such as metal to concrete after a blowout). Some race cars have magnesium wheels, but there are few wheel manufacturers that make them anymore. RS Watanabe does. I have an old set of Minilites from the 60s that are magnesium. They weigh 10lbs each compared to my 14.5lb set that are alloy (both are 14x6). These days wheel manufaturers have much better processes with better metals than magnesium.
You don't want magnesium wheels. They are brittle, oxidize quickly and can catch on fire when exposed to heat (such as metal to concrete after a blowout). Some race cars have magnesium wheels, but there are few wheel manufacturers that make them anymore. RS Watanabe does. I have an old set of Minilites from the 60s that are magnesium. They weigh 10lbs each compared to my 14.5lb set that are alloy (both are 14x6). These days wheel manufaturers have much better processes with better metals than magnesium.
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Originally posted by roadsterdoc
The TE37 wheels are forged alloy and do not contain magnesium. They are light and fairly strong due to the forging process and wheel design. An alloy is a compound metal (made up of different metals).
The TE37 wheels are forged alloy and do not contain magnesium. They are light and fairly strong due to the forging process and wheel design. An alloy is a compound metal (made up of different metals).
10-22-03, 01:17 PM
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Ok, thanks guys. I am glad you shot them down because they were wayyyyyy to pricey. I don't know why they are so much more when they aren't as good. Maybe it's just a racecar thing.
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Originally posted by EpitrochoidMan
Why aren't mag wheels for street cars?
Why aren't mag wheels for street cars?
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10-23-03, 05:12 PM
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A class 'D' fire can be put out, a bucket of sand will do it most times.
If there is no other disadvantage than risk of fire (nothing new for the 3rd gen), I don't see any reason not to use them on the street.
If there is no other disadvantage than risk of fire (nothing new for the 3rd gen), I don't see any reason not to use them on the street.
10-23-03, 06:09 PM
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Magensium definitely has a coolness factor. It's not inferior to alloys or aluminum, it just has different properties. Lighter, more brittle, oxidizes easily.
I don't think it is the best choice for a lightweight street wheel since modern forged aluminum wheels are almost as light, considerably cheaper, and do not have the fire factor. But magnesium could still be used on a street car and possibly never have any problems.
BTW, a bucket of sand will not put out a magnesium fire, but it might be cool to watch the sand melt and then form into glass once it finally cools!
I don't think it is the best choice for a lightweight street wheel since modern forged aluminum wheels are almost as light, considerably cheaper, and do not have the fire factor. But magnesium could still be used on a street car and possibly never have any problems.
BTW, a bucket of sand will not put out a magnesium fire, but it might be cool to watch the sand melt and then form into glass once it finally cools!
10-23-03, 06:37 PM
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A class 'D' fire can be put out, a bucket of sand will do it most times.
If there is no other disadvantage than risk of fire (nothing new for the 3rd gen), I don't see any reason not to use them on the street.
A class 'D' fire can be put out, a bucket of sand will do it most times.
If there is no other disadvantage than risk of fire (nothing new for the 3rd gen), I don't see any reason not to use them on the street.
10-23-03, 10:24 PM
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I agree with EricM, it takes at least a propane torch to light a thin magnesium ribbon, a forged wheel is a little thicker.
BTW check out this link:
http://genchem.chem.wisc.edu/demonst..._magnesium.htm
BTW check out this link:
http://genchem.chem.wisc.edu/demonst..._magnesium.htm
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A few slivers is far different from ten or more pounds.
It oxidizes very rapidly. The oxygen from the air alone will turn freshly cut shiny magnesium to grey black in seconds. I remember from my basic chemistry class when the instructor cut a small sliver of pure magnesium and dropped it into water. It created a firey blaze and bounced around on the water surface until the gas it created made it jump out of the container entirely.
I'm not here to argue, BTW. I promise.
It oxidizes very rapidly. The oxygen from the air alone will turn freshly cut shiny magnesium to grey black in seconds. I remember from my basic chemistry class when the instructor cut a small sliver of pure magnesium and dropped it into water. It created a firey blaze and bounced around on the water surface until the gas it created made it jump out of the container entirely.
I'm not here to argue, BTW. I promise.
10-24-03, 09:21 AM
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Somebody at a sevenstock had the TE37 magnesiums... it was that purple 3-rotor car, w/ the crazy rear suspension.
They only come in dark blue, and in limited sizes/offsets. I believe i've read the most mag wheels are now alloys that are a little more suitable for street than they used to be. My dad had a set of real mags for his Fiat 124... pretty cool.
BBS and OZ and Speedline also make mag wheels... i think if I were to bother, i'd go all out and do a center-lock hub conversion too.
They only come in dark blue, and in limited sizes/offsets. I believe i've read the most mag wheels are now alloys that are a little more suitable for street than they used to be. My dad had a set of real mags for his Fiat 124... pretty cool.
BBS and OZ and Speedline also make mag wheels... i think if I were to bother, i'd go all out and do a center-lock hub conversion too.
10-24-03, 09:42 AM
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Magesioum alloys are light, strong, but brittle, not to mention--a fire hazard. Not the best choice for road wheels, but C5 Corvettes have/had mag wheel options. I presume road-going mag wheels have LESS Mg content than pure racing versions of mag wheels?
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This is so ridiculous. It took me 2 seconds to lookup the MSDS (material saftey data sheet) for magnesium.
Here it is:
http://www.skylighter.com/msds/MAGNES.htm
Here it is:
http://www.skylighter.com/msds/MAGNES.htm
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I also agree with SleepR1. These wheels are alloys. Would wheel and car manufactures really just sell dangerous, highly flammable wheels to any average joe with the money?
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Originally posted by EpitrochoidMan
I also agree with SleepR1. These wheels are alloys. Would wheel and car manufactures really just sell dangerous, highly flammable wheels to any average joe with the money?
I also agree with SleepR1. These wheels are alloys. Would wheel and car manufactures really just sell dangerous, highly flammable wheels to any average joe with the money?
Old dragsters used magnesium wheels made by companies like Halibrand. Cobras (as in Shelby AC) came with manesium wheels. Imagine selling a car today weighing 2200lbs with 450 torque/horsepower, no airbags, no head rests, no collapsible steering wheel, thin aluminum doors with no side impact protection, and no shoulder seatbelts (just a lap belt). Crazy, huh?
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Brought this back from the dead because damn, I want these wheels. Forged magnesium, and an 18x8.5 weighs 12.9 lbs. That's 2.5 lbs LIGHTER than the stock wheels. That's unbeatable.
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Originally Posted by neofreak
heres my set:
