RotorJoe

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33742

Thoughts and opinions.

Thanks

modrx7

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no...

RX7WEEE

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its may work, it may turn out to be a pile of ****, haveing a down pipe fabb'd will cost a pretty penny i was quoted $500 for a stanless steel downpipe with a vband clamp...

try it and tell us how it worked

allrotor93

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a turbo kit under $1500 is a piece of ****. there is no way to compile a kit worth a damn for less than that. good quality pieces will run you $2000 or more.

modrx7

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search... someone already bought this kit...

phatmanbud I believe was his name

PhatManBUD

thats me im tryin it out. but as for right now havent boosted the car yet cause im having problems with the fuel injectors flooding. once i figure that out the turbos ready to be tested. If the vacuum lines are ran incorrectly can that make my motor flood and die after 5 seconds of running?

RotorJoe

Thanks guys

So the quality may not be there.

How are the numbers though, the .62 a/r trim, .60 a/r with an exhaust of 1.15 (says on the turbo) but details state 1.05?

Not worried about fabing up the DP and the rest of the piping.

Thanks for the quick response and input.

PhatManBUD, I'll have to watch out for your future post on this turbo. Sorry for not searching, it gets old sometimes.

Thanks

PhatManBUD

yes well i had the dp made everythings in ready to go minus the fuel flooding problem im having.

Trav

I can't say for that specific link that you posted, but as I've read these threads in the past, a lot of folks have questioned whether or not the details given in the auction were legit. i.e. they're calling it a TO4 60-1 but it may not be a real 60-1. Again, I can't say for sure on this one, but the key is understanding the size of the exducer/inducer & the inlet/outlet size to tell for sure. Some can tell by the number of exhaust blades also. If you can get guys like MaxTheMan or RacerXtreme7 to poke their heads into this thread, they can probably tell you for certain. I'm sure there are other, those are the 2 that come to mind immediately.

I think the concensus on these is that it may or may not be a good deal. In other words, you get what you pay for and it may not be exactly what you're expecting. If it happens to turn out to be the exact trim and size and everything you want, then it might be okay -- if the quality holds up. Bottom line, I think most avoid them because their previous auctions have been shady, their Ebay feedback is questionable, and most people don't want to spend 500-800 bucks on trash in an attempt to save money that they'll wish they spent later.

I'm rambling now, but the short version is: if you want to take your chances w/ that much money, go ahead. Most people on here will agree that it's not worth the risk of that much cash when you can spend a bit more and get something you know is quality. Good luck -- obviously if you pick this up, keep us posted since some are still interested in the final word.

RacerXtreme7

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For the love of GOD! There will be 3 threads like this every week......... My first thought is to tell you to freakin SEARCH, but sense Trav asked me to poke my $0.02 I will.... again... sorry for the sarcasm, but as searching gets old to some, seeing these ebay turbo questions has gotten old as well.

First off, buying turbos and turbo kits from SSAutoChrome, aka: Stone Mountain, Stone Racing, XS Power, etc etc (they have many alias’s) is playing rulet. It may last a few thousand, or a few miles.

The turbo:

First off, NONE of the turbo's these guys have ever offered have been as advertised. Anyone can get a product and name it what they want for re-sale, and that’s exactly what these guys have done. Those "60-1" turbos are T04B's in a V or H trim, not a 60-1. How do I know? Simple, those pics in the adds and pics of people's turbo from which they bought their turbo from these guys all have a 8 paired inducer blade set. 8 blades indicates it’s a T04B if Garrett...... some Mitsubishi turbos have 8 paired blades, but these turbos are clearly Garrett clones. The 60-1 has a 7 paired inducer blade set up with a more aggressive pitch angle and more back sweep (more advanced design over the T04B much like the T04E). I've had literally DOZENS of Garret turbo's most being 60-1 pass through my hands that I built. The T70 turbos they sell have measurements no were near any Garrett based T70. It is a good-sized compressor wheel and looks like a more modern blade design. If these things were built better (better quality control) then this might be a good turbo for the 13b, but because these have had such a high failure rate I can't recommend them to anyone. And for the neh-sayers (sp?).... that will pipe in and say "show me proof these are junk, who has had bad experiences with them?"... do a FREAKIN SEARCH in here, other rotary forums, Honda forums, DSM forums, 240sx/silvia forums...... the people saying their turbo failed surpasses those who have had good luck with them by a large margine. Hell, a 20% fail rate wouldnt be bad, but Im seeing a 70% bases on people saying theirs failed compaired to those who have had good luck. Could it be those who have had bad luck write in more threads then those who have had good luck? Sure... but I'm a realist.

The manifold:

I have had two of these pass through my hands, both the OBX and the SSAuto. I must say the SSAuto is much more robust BUT... the design SUCKS and fitment is HORRIBLE just like the OBX. Most occasions the flanges are warped requiring machining and the holes are poorly located needing to be hogged out to fit. The design places the turbo too close to the intake, the main and waste gate runners are no were near equal length, the pipe diameter is too big, and the merge area (or lack of) were the main runners meat the turbo flange is HORRIBLE. Nuff said about this, want more ? search.

Waste gate:

POS. these may do fine 70% of the time on small displacement piston engines, but on rotaries all I've heard is these things sticking do to the extra heat the rotary makes. They are a HKS clone, but that does NOT mean their as good as HKS?.... first of all any engineer will tell you that material is very very important to reliability and so is quality control in maintaining tolerances. I wouldn't stick one of these waste gates on my enemies’ car. in my humble opinion, there CRAP.

BOV:

A BOV is a BOV, what can I say, its just a piston that opens up a port. Not much to go wrong here. these guys sell Tial and Turbo XS (not the same as XS Power or XS Engineering) knock offs. I havent heard much of good or bad, but like I said, hard to mess this one up.

In conclusion... is it worth it? That’s solely based on the individual, do you feel lucky? Personally I like and prefer quality parts, not name brand, but quality. Having an engineering background, working over here at NASA, and being a part time machinist I can pick out quality. Having a computer and being literate also helps out..... I can read testimonies of people with experience with certain products.

My $0.02 or more like $3.50

Ohh... to answer the tittle to this thread, NO.

~Mike..............

jdhuegel1

RacerExtreme7 nailed it.

The Wastegate sucks *****. I've seen 3 inoperable pieces of HKS replica ****.
The return line hardens and breaks, so that sucks *****.
The turbos are questionable.. Who assembles them? If it's the same douchebags that fab the manifolds that don't fit worth a ****, chances are they too suck *****.
And lastly I have yet to hear a good feedback about ANY of these backyard tree-hugger ***** regarding customer service. SO, THAT sucks ***** too.

I actually have one of the manifolds. Reason? Testing. I wanted too see what cutting corners is like. I own a shop, so I can kind of do that - the manifold is fine. At least the SSAUTOWHATEVER one. Fitment eats *****, and the flanges are warped all to bollocks, but after some grinding, re-welding and pissing on, it actually works pretty good. Been boosting the hell out of my car for a while (well, not lately but tha manni has some miles) and haven't had any problems.

Would I recommend it?

HELL NO. I think I got lucky. Everyone else I know hates them. I know a fella that spent 200 bones getting one Jet-Hot coated only to have it all crack off because of the manifolds desire to fall the **** apart.

SPEND THE MONEY THE FIRST TIME AND DON'T **** AROUND.

RotorJoe

Thanks again for all the input.

This thread can die now.

Thanks.

Trav

LOL, thanks again for your input Mike. And for the record, I didn't ask you to, I just said if you did poke your head in... J/K. I do value your input and opinion and I'm glad you chimed in...again! I'm sure the OP appreciates it to.

Can we make this a sticky and title it SSAutoChrome or something? That way Mike doesn't have to keep posting this. Or maybe you should just set yourself up a macro that automatically replies w/ the above info? then kill the thread after that.