VP Racing Fuels: StreetBlaze?
02-10-06, 10:18 AM
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Just called acouple of other stations here and they said that their E85 is 108 octane. Also found one near Fort Mead and they are selling it at 1.49 per gallon. One station wanted me to bring my ID and to sign a waiver form before pumping(gaithersburg)
02-10-06, 11:19 AM
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I ran Toulene, and Xylene, in my FD, for approximately 2 years. No problem whatsover with detonation, or damaging the fuel system.
Toulene has an octane rating of 114, and Xylene is 117. There is no problem with running a mix of these in your fuel for one very simple reason. IT IS FUEL! These are the prime componets of gas. The difference is that gas also has detergents, and lubricants.
I was running 17PSI with a 10 to 20% mix on everyfill up. I also added 4OZ of MMO to help with the lubrication. I chose to use these fuels, because all you can get here in Cali is shitty 91 octane.
It is not as cheap as stated in the link below. Sherwin Williams was selling it for about $7.50 a gallon at the time. VP was about $10 a gallon in five gallon drums. If you can easily get race fuel for about $7.50 a gallon it may not be worth it, but otherwise, I think it is a good alternative.
I wish that E85 stuff was available down here. I would defiently give it a try.
Toulene has an octane rating of 114, and Xylene is 117. There is no problem with running a mix of these in your fuel for one very simple reason. IT IS FUEL! These are the prime componets of gas. The difference is that gas also has detergents, and lubricants.
I was running 17PSI with a 10 to 20% mix on everyfill up. I also added 4OZ of MMO to help with the lubrication. I chose to use these fuels, because all you can get here in Cali is shitty 91 octane.
It is not as cheap as stated in the link below. Sherwin Williams was selling it for about $7.50 a gallon at the time. VP was about $10 a gallon in five gallon drums. If you can easily get race fuel for about $7.50 a gallon it may not be worth it, but otherwise, I think it is a good alternative.
I wish that E85 stuff was available down here. I would defiently give it a try.
Originally Posted by 13btnos
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It takes more of this fuel to create the same energy as regular gasoline. Therefore your car will use more fuel and you will see a decrease of approximately 10-15% in fuel economy. To make big horsepower you will need more fuel pump and more injector. Many people state that the fuel is corrosive and it could have adverse effects on aluminum fuel rails, injector o-rings and fuel lines. But so far in 9 months of testing we have seen no such side effects.
Even at $2 dollars a gallon your going to be using about twice the amount of fuel when you swithch to alcohol. Guys have been using alcohol & methanol for quite sometime now. It may be cheaper but the downside is you will be spending more because you are going to have to burn up more. That's like my buddy when he switched over from running C16 fuel to alcohol he went from running 4 1600cc injectors to running 8 1600cc injectors. Benifits are you can run higher boost levels safer and with no intercooler, but you will be using a shitload more fuel. So the $2 a gallon for alcohol quickly works out to $4 or even more a gal equivalent for fuel. Kind of misleading if you don't know what your working with. Toluene or xylene can be found almost anywhere Home Depot, Lowes or any paint store will have it. Beats paying $50 for 5gals of race fuel. Just my 2 cents.
It takes more of this fuel to create the same energy as regular gasoline. Therefore your car will use more fuel and you will see a decrease of approximately 10-15% in fuel economy. To make big horsepower you will need more fuel pump and more injector. Many people state that the fuel is corrosive and it could have adverse effects on aluminum fuel rails, injector o-rings and fuel lines. But so far in 9 months of testing we have seen no such side effects.
Even at $2 dollars a gallon your going to be using about twice the amount of fuel when you swithch to alcohol. Guys have been using alcohol & methanol for quite sometime now. It may be cheaper but the downside is you will be spending more because you are going to have to burn up more. That's like my buddy when he switched over from running C16 fuel to alcohol he went from running 4 1600cc injectors to running 8 1600cc injectors. Benifits are you can run higher boost levels safer and with no intercooler, but you will be using a shitload more fuel. So the $2 a gallon for alcohol quickly works out to $4 or even more a gal equivalent for fuel. Kind of misleading if you don't know what your working with. Toluene or xylene can be found almost anywhere Home Depot, Lowes or any paint store will have it. Beats paying $50 for 5gals of race fuel. Just my 2 cents.
02-10-06, 12:18 PM
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i run the vp 103 streetblaze in my car with the r-85 and ray wilson tuned my car to 20 psi with no problems! un leaded was easier at the time because it burns similar to 93 octane so whenever you want to turn the boost up i put in the 103 no messing around loading different maps or anything
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Originally Posted by Rxmfn7
Some local Sunoco stations around my area have 110 octane at the pump, for ~$5/gallon. Does anyone know what kind of fuel this is?
02-12-06, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
If its at the pump, it can't be leaded. They have the same thing here. Its 98 octane.
02-12-06, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
If its at the pump, it can't be leaded. They have the same thing here. Its 98 octane.
02-12-06, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LUPE
We have 110 at the pump here but you aren't allowed to poor it in your car. You have to use a can.
02-12-06, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PDViper77
Eric, there is a station about 10 minutes away from my house in State Park that was 110 octane. It is 4.99 gallon. It is run by middle easterns and they don't care if you pump it straight into your car.
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Is it okay to run race gas without tunning differently. I run 17psi on 94. Can I just fill it up with 110 leaded and drive around will no ill effects. Will I gain power at the same boost level???
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Originally Posted by TurboTagTeam
Is it okay to run race gas without tunning differently. I run 17psi on 94. Can I just fill it up with 110 leaded and drive around will no ill effects. Will I gain power at the same boost level???
02-12-06, 07:34 PM
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higher octane fuels tend to result in less power due to burning slower and more controlled. VP import of course being the exception (dont exactly know why). It makes like 5% more power than c16 and it has over 120 octane. But what do you expect at $20 a gallon.
you can definately run with race gas for that added safety if you want. But you will make just a little less power.
I would run pump for anything up to 15-16 psi, anything above i would have race fuel in. When i run 25+ psi, i like to have the protection of c16 along with the protection of WI.
Oh, and when i run pump (93) gas i always add toluene to my mixture, I like to have a mixture of at least 15-20% toluene in my tank to keep things safe. During tuning with steve kan, we accidentally hit 19.5 psi (untuned) without so much as a little hickup, and that was with WI off. This is with a T78 btw.
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you can definately run with race gas for that added safety if you want. But you will make just a little less power.
I would run pump for anything up to 15-16 psi, anything above i would have race fuel in. When i run 25+ psi, i like to have the protection of c16 along with the protection of WI.
Oh, and when i run pump (93) gas i always add toluene to my mixture, I like to have a mixture of at least 15-20% toluene in my tank to keep things safe. During tuning with steve kan, we accidentally hit 19.5 psi (untuned) without so much as a little hickup, and that was with WI off. This is with a T78 btw.
Adam
Originally Posted by TurboTagTeam
Is it okay to run race gas without tunning differently. I run 17psi on 94. Can I just fill it up with 110 leaded and drive around will no ill effects. Will I gain power at the same boost level???
02-13-06, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 1wide7
you cant switch from unleaded to leaded with out retuning they have different burn charecteristics
yes you definately can. Just because they have different burn characteristics doesnt mean you cant use the same amount of fuel. The only bad thing the leaded fuel will do is burn out your O2 sensor a lot quicker. BTW i switch between leaded and unleaded fuel all the time in my car, it just depends on the amount of boost i want to run.
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