Originally Posted by PhatManBUD

Hey guys,

Heres the situation, im currently running the Ebay turbo, on street ported motor. .60 , 1.15a/r supposedly. I really want the AF61, ive wanted it for awhile. and i was planning on buying Dhahlens since he has aquired a big ole T51r, and he was nice enough to offer to sell it to me for a reasonable price.

Heres the thing, one of my good friends with a PT67 single turbo supra said he has a new T61 sitting in his garage that he will sell to me for $250 (since he loves my car and wants to see it haul ass). Its got a .68 a/r on it, but he said i could probably just use my 1.15 (in a way thats good since i dont have to modify my downpipe to slap it on).

So heres the thing, it would take me next week to pay for the T61. But it would take me about a month+ to pay for the AF61. Since i have alot of expenses.

Now what do you guys think about the performance of either one. close to same? etc. etc. on the T61 will i make over 400whp at 14psi and maybe closer to 450+ on 18psi??

I bet the AF61 spools up alot faster. The turbo i have on there now even with the 1.15 a/r i hit 10 psi at about 4000. kinda late yes but its nice staying out of boost when u want to. As far as track use is concerend its not a big deal to me as of now, since thats what i have an FC for.

Should i just pick up the T61. try it out and if i dont like it and get the AF61 if dhahlen still has it or davinci has more instock. OR, should i just drop the idea and still go for the AF61. although it may break my piggy bank.

Originally Posted by fdracer

the af61 is gonna spool slower and make more top end. it's just a regular deisel turbo. if you need just the turbo, you should just buy a new one. there's no point in getting a used one when a new one is so cost effective and you save the headache from any problems that might come with a used turbo.

Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7

My vote, T61. But get a 1.00 or .84 turbine for it ("restrictive above 6000 rpm" :rolleyes: not quite). Your downpipe will still work provided you get the same v-band or bolt attachment that you have now (In otherwords, your turbine disscharge will be in the same position).

~Mike...........

Originally Posted by D-R Autosports

If you had a clue about this subject you would know that about 90% of all automotive based hi-performance units are derived from "DIESEL TURBOS". .....please enlighten us otherwise.

Also, the T61 WILL NOT spool quicker than the AF61 unless it has a small, and restrictive .84 or smaller turbine which, will suffer major hp loss after around 6000 rpm. If you decide to buy the af61 i'll honor the rest of the years warrenty that i offered when sold..

Either way, as ZeroR said the t61's price is crazy cheap for a really decent performer, just be sure it carries some type warrenty or you just might be stuck with a shitty, filthy, and smelly paperweight!

Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7

Your one for posting number aren't ya :lol:

Originally Posted by fdracer

ummm, i never said that most turbos weren't based on deisel turbos. dude, you're just reiterating what i said. the af61 has a larger turbine housing due to it being a deisel turbo, so it does spool slower than an automotive turbo, but it's got a ton of top end. btw, i do have a clue since i sell hundreds of these turbos every year.

Originally Posted by willjs7

try and buy the af61r, i know i did, for 2 weeks, got nothing but bullshit, no returned emails, no returned PM's. no phone calls, i called 2-3 times a day. have fun trying to get an af61r. :)..

Originally Posted by D-R Autosports

i don't post bogus numbers you fucking hypocrit! :fawk: dick.

Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7

I had a long reply typed up

Originally Posted by LUPE

Does the T61 come with a 2 year warranty like the AF61 does?

Parts for the AF61R are very very very easy to find.

Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28

sure they are. only problem is you don't know what the hell is in there, so you don't know what to buy.

Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28

sure they are. only problem is you don't know what the hell is in there, so you don't know what to buy.

Originally Posted by fdracer

dude, it's a freakin' s300. parts aren't that special or hard to find.

Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7

Dude chill.

Aren't you a business owner or at least represent a business? Isn't this a place were a LOT of your customer basis derives from (this forum)? Nice behavior, but it seems typical from you and those idiots who seem to be constantly licking your ass.

I had a long reply typed up as to your "posting bogus numbers" and in general straight up lies (anyone remember a certain someone saying the AF61 was a "special turbo" that GARRETT modifies? :lol:). You are the king of it bullshit, but to keep this thread civil and on topic I'll refrain from posting the complete bullshit you have posted in the past (good thing for your sake a lot of those post got deleted, but there’s plenty of readers here who won't forget it). So if you have anything else to say to me be it another insult or whatever (though I haven’t a thing to say to you), PM me and keep this thread from turning into garbage.

I’m sure the temptation will be too great for you NOT to post an ego induced idiotic reply, so I'll let you have the last word and wont respond to it on this thread as to not ruin PhatManBuds post.

~Mike............

Originally Posted by fdracer

dude, it's a freakin' s300. parts aren't that special or hard to find.

Originally Posted by PhatManBUD

stop fighting!!!:tear:

cant someone just answer my question!

Will the T61 deliver what i want!

400+ @ 14psi
450+ @ 18psi

Originally Posted by LUPE

wrong.

Originally Posted by BDC

Not wrong. He's right. It is a Schwitzer S300, atleast a derivative of it. It's already been proven. It sure as heck isn't a "joint venture between DaVinci and Garrett" as we were all misled to believe at one time in the past.

Kudos to all of you out there who are still sticking up for the truth.

B

Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28

so...
can we see a compressor map of the af61?

Originally Posted by KaoticFdR1

Ding wrong again....i had a long convo with ron yesterday and the day before he told me why everyone gets the wrong idea about this turbo....and i now get it why everyone wants to call this an s300......there is some work that goes into this turbo....its not "off the shelf" and if i wanted to rebuild it myself i could since ron told me what parts i would need....but since IT DOES HAVE a 2 year warranty why do it myself when Ron's a no BS guy and wouldn't hesitate to help me out.

Originally Posted by LUPE

It's already been stated that it's a modified S300. We're you the one who said that there is no way the AF61R is modified at all? Weren't you the one who said 400whp was impossible to reach with the S300?

Originally Posted by fdracer

if you're gonna that it's modified then spit out what exactly is modified about it. tell us what's been done to it that makes it so special. the average consumer can't exactly go buy an s300 and modify it himself, so what's the point of keeping the "modifications" a secret. and if it's so specialy modified why are the dimensions and a/r's exaclty the same as an off the shelf s300. what's the point of lying to people who are giving d-r their hard earned money. it's still the best value out there so people will still buy it, and the shop still makes a good profit on them. both parties win, so what's the point of all the bs.

Originally Posted by BDC

Kudos to all of you out there who are still sticking up for the truth.
B

Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28

so...
can we see a compressor map of the af61?

Originally Posted by PhatManBUD

thank you racer extreme

Originally Posted by RacerXtreme7

No prob, the T61 is a great match for ported rotaries. Theres several people who run it (I think one guy's ID is TransAm something or something like that runs one). And it has Garrett reliability and cheap and available parts.