kudos to you for not giving into the "others self indulgence of ignorance"
.........anyway, it's healthy to keep an open mind! good job for doing your research!

ron-

does every word that comes out of your mouth, or off your fingers onto the keyboard for that matter have to be completly negative. Just look back on the things you have typed, even on this thread. How old are you? grow up seriously.

BTW the af61r is a great turbocharger, good job.

my negativity is opposing thier negativity. should i just keep my mouth closed and let people talk crap about my product! i think not!!!!!!!

anyway, thanks again!

why don't you just post a compressor map.

SOME PEOPLE like to actually know what they're buying, and what its capabilities are.

because it's a hybrid unit i cant get a map. i'm done ..please revert to other that have actually used one!

ps.. do you have any guitars for sale? give me the lowdown! i'm looking for a les paul strat.

ask whoever you get the compressor from for a map.

if you "teamed up with garrett" on this one, wouldn't they have a map for you?

Compressor maps are for women. The only people I see asking for them are nerdy-pimple-popping RX7 owners.

One more time, beacuse it's not an off the shelf wheel i cant get a map. please ...call Garrett and ask the assholes there if you can get a map for a certian wheel??? they'll laugh at you! Honestly, with the lack of support from Garrett, thier misinformation, warehouse whoring, and selling 10 year old technology as the newest and greatest--- - i am be using less and less of thier parts. My sales are generally custom trim related and because i actually care about what i sell and my customers i try to build each unit as economical as possoble without sacrificing on preformance and quality!!!!!!! BYE!!!!

actually, garrett posts their maps right on their website. so of course they'll laugh at you...and they'll tell you to have a look at the site. it's all right there.
don't believe me?
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...40/GT4088R.htm
compressor and turbine.

if you care sooooooo much about what you're selling, why haven't you done your homework on it? you're selling a product, and you don't even know what it's capable of! and since you don't know what it's capable of, how are you modifying it (besides grinding off the numbers). aren't you testing it before and after modifications? it looks to me like you've made some big claims without testing, and you just hope your customers are going to be lucky and actually hit those numbers.

so far all i've seen is one dyno sheet with boost creep ~420 whp @ 16-17psi, and a lot of talk.

are you an idiot? i understand you have someone do all your work for you, so it's not important if you can't read a compressor map. but the rest of us do like information.

I've done all my work except for tuning. What do you have? Nevermind, I guess you like to race through calculations and theory.

Open your eyes. Dyno sheets have been posted all over.

i have a commuter car. i'm not into the dyno-whore stuff. a 35r putting 400+ to the ground on 91 octane is good enough for me.

the difference between you and i is when i want to change something, i not only can do the work, but the calculations behind it as well. there's more to it than just turning a wrench. don't persecute me because of your ignorance.

maybe i missed them. go ahead and link me.

If you're not a dyno whore then why are you asking for dynosheets?

Why do you keep bitching about a turbo that you've never seen, used or interested in?

Go ahead and link yourself.

how do you get by day to day with the blindness you have? LISTEN UP ....I DONT USE AN OFF THE SHELF WHEEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I REALLY THINK YOUR NOT ONLY IGNORANT ON THIS SUBJECT YOU'RE ALSO DEAF... IT MUST BY PLAYING THE OLE 'TAR TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!
!

i didn't say you did. but you obviously don't know what you're using. send a wheel in to turbonetics and have them test it and build a map for you.

how about i send it to you and you answer yourself by sending it to turbonetics..being that you have obviously simplified things that the engineers cant seem to do?


i posted the efficency that i was given 82% @ 64ppm@18psi ...this was an estimate given to me my the Garrett engineer. His reasoning of this high efficency rating was due to the lower rpm flow numbers being high because of the energy of the turbine being able to counter the aggression of the compressor wheel due to it's leading area being shorter. the wheel originally was like 76%.

i'm now trying to be rational.. please dont offend yourself again.

ok, i'll send it in to turbonetics. want my mailing address?

honestly, how do you even know what you have there if you've never seen a map. you're just relaying what the garrett engineer told you or what?

before, you made it sound like it was a heads up collaboration. if you helped design it, i couldn't imagine you not being able to see the map. there's too many holes in your story.

holes in my story...YOU MUST HAVE HOLES IN YOUR HEAD! i said with the help of a Garrett engineer we were able to come up with a really efficent wheel even though it was kinda of an accident. You must understand that Garrett won't spend the money it cost to create a map for a TURBO THAT ONLY USES A COUPLE OF THIER PARTS ...let alone a person only selling a few per month! SHIT, THEY ARE NOW IN THE BUSINESS OF PUTTING THE LITTLE GUY OUT OF BUSINESS....JUST ASK THIER WD'S WHOM HAVE BEEN DOING $1.000.000 PER YEAR FOR OVER 15 YEARS . Anyway, only my customers will represent my products... not some naysayer!!!!

I made 452 on a stock ignition at 21psi.....Break up galore and steve lifted on the tune its all visable on the sheet you can see for yourself here.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7493/10007826tx.jpg
want a video? here...
http://media.putfile.com/Rx7-FD3S-AF...steve-kan-tune
Now i have no doubt in my mind this turbo will do over 500whp....i wanna get mine tuned and dynoed to over 500 but i'm thinkin about goin with rons new AF70
Btw i installed a tial 44mm and MSD6a with T2 coil since the tune/dyno/video.....car hauls ass at just 14psi.

Is that flywheel HP?? Thats what it says on that chart.

I am fairly certain that dyno allows the operator to enter a factor to calculate flywheel horsepower.

In this instance the factor he used was 1.0 since power = powerfly...in other words that is the horsepower at the wheels... no drivetrain loss taken.

If a drive train loss was used the factor would be less then 1.0 and the corresponding powerfly number would be greater than power number.

it's rwhp.

452 @21? i'm glad you made the numbers...

that looks more like boost creep than breakup.

now yu're getting all butthurt. do you actually know what this compressor is capable of? it's not "off the shelf"...ok, what is it then? how is it modified?

do you personally have any dyno sheets with this turbo, or ar you letting your customers do 100% of the testing for you?

Did you even watch the video or read my post about replacing the w/g with a tial 44mm unit? That was all boost creep from 13psi up.

If you knew the deal ron gaveme on my kit INSTALLED you would think twice.

As far as the dyno sheets to prove it. I was interested in Gothams GR74 kit and when i talked to him about it....it wasn't tested yet or a unit sold.....but the maps and numbers add up was the answer i was given. Ron is a damn genious with this car. Every conversation i have with him i learn some new things.

Didn't Ron sell you the AF61R turbo kit, Fuel injectors, rail, resistors, pump and aeromotive fuel pressure regulator for 1800 installed?

Didn't he also built your intercooler piping and install your 3 bar map sensor for free too?

Yeah, seems like Rons really trying to take peoples money.

Such a lying crook he is :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

But yes that was the deal i was given. ALL BRAND NEW PRODUCTS....1600's, SUpra pump, etc etc

i never said that. i asked how he knew what the turbo could do if he didn't have a compressor map. i'm still waiting for an answer.

and max efficiency of 82%? that's great!!! but where? what flow rate for what boost level.

if you don't know that, there's no way in hell you can say it's 82% efficient on a 13b, ported, or unported at some specific boost level, because you simply don't know. THAT is why you need a compressor map. you can't just look at the compressor housing and say "oh yea, that's big...it's gotta put out power!!one!"

Who cares........ it's obvious you're only wanting to cause trouble. There is no better turbo out there for the price.

There is no compressor map so quit asking. It's bad ass turbo. All you're going to get is dyno sheets.

Here is another 420whp @ 14-15 psi sheet. This was done on a TII/pump gas/AF61R combo with a stock cat.

Ignition break up too. Not that you care since you'll just come back on the offensive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...sdynohp023.jpg

you don't see a problem with this? supposedly 82% efficiency, but god knows where, god knows how much it flows, and god knows what it's capable of. YOU may be ignorant enough not to care about these things, but other people do want to know what they're buying.

so far, all i've seen perfomance-wise puts it on par with a 60-1 ($500 turbo).

let's see what it really does in the upper boost levels.

I could care less what the compressor map says. I've driven/road in a AF61R car and it out performed every RX7 I've been in. That includes the APEXi R6, GT35/40, T78, T88, T51R KAI, T04R, T04E, T04S and T-61.

I would really like to see you call me ignorant if we were face to face.

Lupe, I'm sure you know the answer, so would you please state what is the max power the AF61 will support? Thank you.

It hasn't been maxed out yet.

How do you think it would compare with the 70mm race turbo you just posted in the FS section, which you say is limited beyond 650hp?

Well, I don't know much about DR's AF70. You might want to ask Ron about that one. I know that the one he's selling is dirt cheap though :)

Maybe we'll find out where the turbo max's out with my car....i'm rebuilding the engine now....I made 452.1 on STOCK PORTS.....the guy i bought my car from lied to me about the street port. So ron is doing a stage 3 street/race port. When i max out the AF61 i plan on switching to a AF70. Bad part about my having to rebuild cause of oil starvation somehow the E-shaft went caput YAY more money down the hole. I also need to add another nippndenso pump and hook it up with some 850's in the primaries and larger fuel line just to make sure i don't drop off on the fuel pressure again at higher boost. There may be something instore for this next tune this summer. But gotta see how my financial and employment situation turns out.

don't try to pick a fight with me just because you're too ignorant to read, or understand the importance of a compressor map.

I would really like to see you call me ignorant if we were face to face.

well let's just tear this down a little bit, shall we? let's pretend everything goes your way and you knock the shit out of me good n' proper... let's even say you give me the beating of a lifetime, then you run me over with your car.

after that, you STILL don't know how to read a compressor map, and you're STILL ignorant!

Why are you so skiddish? Nobody said anything about beating you up. :rolleyes:

yea, i'm sure you'll try to dazzle me with your wit. :rolleyes:
just do yourself a favor and stop talking. every post you make makes you look more idiotic.

sure thing, pal. :rlaugh:

the problem with people like you is you're not intelligent enough to even realise how stupid you sound.

you're the one telling him he looks stupid....do you realize you're the stupid one by playing into exactly what he wants you to do....HOOK LINE SINKER

I'd like to point some power and torque figures out, assuming the boost levels given in the post are true. Using KaoticFDR1's dyno sheet as a reference posted on pg 5:

4000rpm 90hp 120ft/lbs torque
4500rpm 130hp 150ft/lbs torque
5000rpm 170hp 180ft/lbs torque
5500rpm 230hp 210ft/lbs torque
6000rpm 290hp 250ft/lbs torque
6500rpm 355hp 290ft/lbs torque
7000rpm 450hp 335ft/lbs torque

Compare this turbo to these GT35 turbos done on several different engines by several different people performed quite awhile ago:

http://dyno.zeroglabs.com/graph.php?...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH

It's very high-end peaky, atleast on that engine it was done on. About the only real good thing this turbo has is a beefy turbine setup with not enough compressor. No doubt it would more than likely atleast level off in power and torque, if not arguably continue building it up some to 8000rpm. Even then, it's not very condusive to street use as it's more limited to higher RPM usage, leaving the mid-range something to be desired. It's great on the turbine side; shy on compressor, having to run stratospheric boost levels to get power out of it. This turbo, with some more compressor, with its nice and fat turbine side, would do well I think on a high-overlap motor such as a bridgeport, but is nowhere near as good for stock/street port performance as some of the old mainstay, workhorse turbos that've been around for years and years such as your garden-variety TO4B's and E's, 60-1, etc.

"15psi by 4500rpm" (or whatever it was, which yields a mind-boggling 130hp and blistering 150ft/lbs of torque)? Is that what you guys are saying it does? Big power, early spool? Like I've said so staunchly so many times in the past, it's exactly what I've thought it was all along: this is nothing more than a John Deere (Schwitzer) S300 derivative turbo; no special wheel, no special this or that, no special nothing done to it. I've shown this over and over again not only with specifications but also with comparison pictures of the AF61R on Ryan Scott' engine and our John Deere S300S008. Heck, you guys eviscerated me both in public and in PM's, denying that it was a John Deere anything, then just a few days ago a forum member here gets one of these turbos that you guys shipped that didn't have the (gasp) John Deere logo scratched off of it! I've said it before, months ago, and I'll say it again; story unchanged -- This is not a custom-built turbocharger done by collaboration between this outfit and Garrett; not one bit. It has been and is being falsely advertised.

For those of you that are satisfied or are having success with this turbo, more power to you. I'm happy if the customer is happy with what they've spent money on. However, recognize the facts behind this unit -- you may not be getting what you're paying for.

As for an alternative turbo -- Master Power T-70, P-Trim-T4 type exducer, much better suited to a stock/street ported 13B, with a better balance of compressor and turbine, which actually is made using Garrett parts, $550-$600 on eBay brand-new.

To Lupe, Ron, and cohorts: go ahead, cuss me out, make fun of me, call me names, and all that middle-school jazz. It will prove yet again, as has been shown many times in not only this thread but in related others, that you have to resort to that line of trifling and adolescent behaviour because the truth is not in you.

Regards,

B

^^^^^^owned.

You could atleast use a dyno sheet from a car that wasn't broke.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...sdynohp023.jpg