Do the SSAUTOCRAP manifolds for the FD fit into the FC chassis?

Please don't tell me not to buy one I know they are cheap manifolds, that is unless you can suggest an alternative.

I can mig weld stainless properly when I'm done with it, it won't be pretty, but it will be strong.

This is for a 13bre win an FC.

Thanks...

 

disregard.

 

I don't know whats wrong with the welding on the fc manifold but mine looked incredible. I even took it too another welder/fabricator and he said those where top notch welds. The welds where all bronze in color witch is the color that you are looking for when welding that material. And they were all very pretty welds with no slop or anything.

 

The last few XSpower manifolds I have seen looked great.

 

Thats great, I understand they have improved it recently.

Back to the original question will the FD manifold fit an FC? does it fit well?

I'm sure someone has done this as the FD manifold is divided, I want to use it with a divided and the FC isn't.

thanks

 

I think you have to get a spacer to bring the manifold out far enough to clear the lim. you may also have to get longer engine to manifold studs because of the spacer.

 

That is not what I have been taught.

I've seen those FD ebay units in an FC chassis with an FC engine, turbo was using an on-center turbine housing and the manifold was modded, to what extent I have no idea...

I can tell you in a few hours when the car comes in.

 

cool, let us know. I'm not saying they look anywhere near as good as your manifolds but for the 75 bux I spent on mine they really don't look all that bad and the weld looked great!

 

far as i have read there is no spacing issues with the FD divided manifolds in an FC, basically it depends on the turbo and how large it is.

i run the FC SSautochrome manifold and have installed one on a locals car, both have been run on close to or over 300RWHP for a while now and neither have any problems.

 

it's not the welds that are bad on the ssac manifolds. .it's the tubing and the flanges. Even with the thicker flanges I still warped the turbo flange and cracked one of the tubes. . they are junk

 

That FC just left our shop and yes the FD manifold will fit an FC chassis depending on what size turbo etc. Seems most common " medium" frame turbos will fit just fine. Only thing I noticed was wastegate position was less than desirable. That car was using an oncenter turbine housing, but it appears a tang will fit just fine.

 

I've test fit a 60-1 (tang) on my RE (in my FC) with an OBX FD manifold (same design and placement). It fits fine if you have a spacer between the block and the manifold. An RB header flange works great for this spacer. Bottom line, if you're running a tang housing, it will fit but most likely you'll need a spacer of some kind.

 

The manifold fits fine. The only problem is weather or not the turbo you have will clear the lower intake manifold. Personally i would just go with the fc one unless you want to go through the trouble of making the fd manifold work for you. This actually brings me to another question. Are their any clear advantages to the fd manifold as opposed to the fc manifold from ssac?

 

I have only seen the FD housing in person but I have seen the cast iron manifold that the FC unit is based on. Advantage of the FD manifold is that the runners are closer to equal length, the runners are divided at the turbo flange, and wastegate placment is better.

 

What part of the turbo interferes with what part of the engine or car?

 

i have a brand new manifold and wastgate for sale 125 shipped ...OBO ... anyone interested PM me ...

 

The turbo's exhaust housing contacts the LIM.

And as far as any specific advantages of the FD manifold over the FC? I really have no idea as I've not seen the FC one in person. I can tell you that the FD manifold is fully divided (I don't know if the FC one is or not). But the runners are definitely not equal length...

The front runner is about 8" long and the rear is about 11".

 

I said closer to equal length. The FC manifold one runner is like 3 inches the other maybe 9 and its not divided.

Your uning the RE manifolds right? looking at the car I can't visualize how they would make contact, can you post a picture?

Thanks

 

ya...i dunno what the whole "ssautocrap" is about, even though youre planning on using one. Ive been using one for 5,000 miles and it still looks nice to me.

 

Sorry, I didn't intend to sound like you had said they were equal length. I just wanted to dispel any potential confusion for other readers... There used to be some rumors that they were equal length. I think in this day-and-age, people either consider manifolds equal length or non-equal length. I don't think that being close really counts for anything (unless they are "tuned lengths") -- but I'm no manifold expert, so take that with a grain of salt...

Yep, using the RE LIM. I'll try to get a picture of it in the next day or so. I'll try to get a before and after shot -- one with the spacer and one without.

 

Really can't comment on the quality personally because I've not actually ran the car with it. Only used it for fitment at this point. More than likely I'm not going to use it and am currently in the market for a better designed manifold.

One point that I was educated on (and could confirm with the one I have) is that turbo runners meet the T4 flange with a "dead-end". What I mean by that is that there is not a smooth transition into the turbo -- instead it just contacts the flat part of the flange which would create some pretty terrible flow characteristics (almost like reversion). I can't recall if the WG flange has the same problem or not -- I'm at work and don't have the manifold in front of me. That's just one observation.

Does it still work? Yes.
Is it terrible? Maybe, maybe not -- I guess it depends on your perspective.
Are there better designs? Yes.
Moral of the story? You paid very little for the manifold, so it all comes down to what you're willing to live with and pay for I guess...

Sorry, not trying to turn this into another comparison or bashing thread, just thought I'd point out what I've seen. Again, I have no real-world experience with the manifold other than holding it in my hands and mounting it on the car. All of this is what I've either observed myself or learned through conversations with "qualified individuals". So take it for what it's worth. PhatManBUD is just one example of someone on this forum who's had success with the manifold.

 

"ya...i dunno what the whole "ssautocrap" is about, even though youre planning on using one. Ive been using one for 5,000 miles and it still looks nice to me."

I am really a cheap guy, Ive got mustang wheels, an un rebuilt 13b-re an OBX intercooler, I do everything cheap. Which is why I am getting the "SSAUTOCRAP" manifold. Is it worth what you pay for it, sure it is. Does that make it quality: NOPE.

The thing that annoys me about it is that for not much more money they could make it so much better. Say 200 instead of 100, it could be just as good as anything out there, then no one would call it crap.

 

my manifold is exactly the same as the ssauto ones, im running a small t04b and i want to up grade to a bigger turbo but not sure if it will clear the manifold and wheel arch, anyoine running 60-1 or t60 etc on them?

sorry to change the thread

 

IF YOU USE A ON CENter exhaust housing it will clear. mine fits fine.

 

Go back and read the thread again -- I mentioned that I test fit a Turbonetics 60-1 and it contacts the LIM unless you have a spacer. As the above poster mentions though, if you have an on-center housing it apparently fits okay... Might read up on the pros/cons of using an on-center...