Single Turbo RX-7's Questions about all aspects of single turbo setups.

recirculated in dp vs. open wastegate ...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-02-07, 12:12 PM
  #1  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
fc_dorifto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: montreal
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
recirculated in dp vs. open wastegate ...

Anybody runs a street driven car with the the wastegate not recirculating into the downpipe ? Is it too loud ?

Is there any performance differences between the two setups ? (lag, power, ...)

street ported 13b-t T66

thank you !
Old 05-02-07, 12:38 PM
  #2  
Senior Member

iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kingston Ontario
Posts: 719
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Its only loud at full boost and by then you're long gone.
Old 05-02-07, 12:43 PM
  #3  
Down for the count...

iTrader: (7)
 
Comitatus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 806
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I vent my dual wastegate setup to atmosphere. I have a Half BP motor and 3.5" exhaust.

Watch video for sound...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25509462662397
Old 05-02-07, 03:57 PM
  #4  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
fc_dorifto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: montreal
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So I won't see any performance differences ?
Old 05-02-07, 04:15 PM
  #5  
development

 
dubulup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Lafayette, LA
Posts: 5,714
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
you will
Old 05-02-07, 05:50 PM
  #6  
Rotor Nut.

iTrader: (34)
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: RI
Posts: 2,163
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
i have always wondered what the difference in power is. i also run an open wg, it is loud at wide open throttle.
Old 05-02-07, 10:09 PM
  #7  
toeachisown

 
vkotis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: glen burnie, md
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
****, my open wastegate gets loud at 6 pounds!!!! I'm getting sick of hearing it all the time. Mine is a DD so i HAVE to hear it everyday...
Old 05-02-07, 10:47 PM
  #8  
FC Mobsta

 
marcus219's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 1,825
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
depending on how your boost controller is setup it doesn't necessarily open at "full boost".

i run off my 10# waste gate spring and it opens at like 5psi. I like the sound though, but i daily driver my car as well and in some respects it gets annoying. IE just trying to hop on the freeway to go work. Then again it kicks *** like there in the video he posted. Sounds bad ***, scares crack heads and harley riderz
Old 05-02-07, 11:09 PM
  #9  
toeachisown

 
vkotis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: glen burnie, md
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by marcus219
depending on how your boost controller is setup it doesn't necessarily open at "full boost".

i run off my 10# waste gate spring and it opens at like 5psi. I like the sound though, but i daily driver my car as well and in some respects it gets annoying. IE just trying to hop on the freeway to go work. Then again it kicks *** like there in the video he posted. Sounds bad ***, scares crack heads and harley riderz

LOL...yeah, especially the crack heads. i guess i just think that for how loud it sounds, i should be feeling more power.
Old 05-02-07, 11:24 PM
  #10  
JIGSAWRX7

 
Dan Schechter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Celina, TX
Posts: 333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It is too loud for my taste... because it is unmuffled exhaust. It is louder when you are NOT on full boost due to the "dumping" or bypass of exhaust gases from the wastegate. The more you are on boost, the less is being routed around the turbo. It depends on the turbo capability and boost control setting.

You can reroute your wastegate dump pipe into your exhaust, I did on my daily driver (http://www.jigsawrx7.com/streetcar.html), but it is primarily for noise reduction or to be street legal... the performance change is so minimal, it really doesn't make that much of a difference... your only talking about a few horsepower, depending on the routing.
Old 05-02-07, 11:29 PM
  #11  
Rotary addict since 86

iTrader: (7)
 
WanKeL FD RX-7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Posts: 2,519
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
i luv it really loud sound, but its a personal choice i think.
Old 05-02-07, 11:30 PM
  #12  
FC Mobsta

 
marcus219's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 1,825
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by vkotis
LOL...yeah, especially the crack heads. i guess i just think that for how loud it sounds, i should be feeling more power.
what turbo are you guys running (Dan and vkotis)?
Old 05-02-07, 11:36 PM
  #13  
JIGSAWRX7

 
Dan Schechter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Celina, TX
Posts: 333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by marcus219
what turbo are you guys running (Dan and vkotis)?
Greddy T88 large frame in one car, and Apex Rx6 Ball bearing in another.
Old 05-03-07, 03:22 AM
  #14  
FD Under Construction =P

iTrader: (5)
 
dhahlen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Avondale, AZ
Posts: 4,030
Received 24 Likes on 9 Posts
Yeah Open WG is deafening loud. I ran open WG on my T51r with 4" exhaust... LOL!!!!

I loved it though, people would be walking down the street, and I would open that bitch up in 2nd real quick.. Scare the living **** out of them.
Old 05-03-07, 05:46 AM
  #15  
Banzai Racing

 
BlueTII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Indiana
Posts: 2,632
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Lots of people like the open wastegate noise at first, most get tired of it after driving around for a while.

We have customers that actually keep earplugs in their gloveboxes.

We end up routing the wastegates into the DP on lots of cars where the turbo kit was originally dumped to the atmosphere
Old 05-03-07, 07:55 AM
  #16  
development

 
dubulup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Lafayette, LA
Posts: 5,714
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
it's cool at first, then you don't want to go WOT because its annoying...fix your "exhaust" leak, PLUMB IT IN
Old 05-03-07, 08:41 AM
  #17  
I won't let go


 
Railgun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chi -> Maidstone
Posts: 3,861
Received 18 Likes on 13 Posts
Originally Posted by fc_dorifto
So I won't see any performance differences ?
Originally Posted by dubulup
you will
You will? I'm going to take a stab and say it's negligible.
Old 05-03-07, 09:00 AM
  #18  
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
RICE RACING's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: lebanon
Posts: 2,306
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Talking

Nothing sounds as nice as a turbo rotary with the WG merged back into the muffler system. *screamer pipes* sound gay, are annoying, and do **** all for increasing power.
Old 05-03-07, 09:03 AM
  #19  
development

 
dubulup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Lafayette, LA
Posts: 5,714
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Originally Posted by Railgun
You will? I'm going to take a stab and say it's negligible.
that's just what I read...I have had both and can say, I stay on the throttle longer with it plumbed in, so I probably offset the loss with rpms
Old 05-03-07, 09:30 AM
  #20  
toeachisown

 
vkotis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: glen burnie, md
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by marcus219
what turbo are you guys running (Dan and vkotis)?

gt35r I was thinking of just putting an extension on the wastegate just to muffle it somewhat.
Old 05-03-07, 05:41 PM
  #21  
PURIST

iTrader: (43)
 
turbodrx7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bel Air, MD
Posts: 3,167
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
I love mine, it makes the car sound completely different. And yes power can and will be lost. More if the job is not done correctly.
Old 05-03-07, 06:56 PM
  #22  
FC Mobsta

 
marcus219's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Olympia, WA
Posts: 1,825
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by vkotis
gt35r I was thinking of just putting an extension on the wastegate just to muffle it somewhat.
just piping on it will make it louder. I have experience with such matters. I got a dump pipe made and it increased sound alot. Amplifies it FOR SHOOOO.
Old 05-03-07, 07:11 PM
  #23  
spending too much money..

iTrader: (2)
 
hondahater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: louisiana
Posts: 10,117
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
lol I can't wait to hear mine, lol. it's a good thing it's not a daily driver because I'm sure it would start to get on my nerves.
Old 05-03-07, 07:29 PM
  #24  
Yes its slow

iTrader: (7)
 
Slammedblk7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: usa
Posts: 2,455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
My dual tials should sound slight differ.
Old 05-03-07, 11:43 PM
  #25  
Rotary Enthusiast

iTrader: (5)
 
Trout2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 1,082
Received 10 Likes on 9 Posts
Does anyone on here use a seperate muffler for the wastegate? Several years ago I rode in an FD with TO4S that had a muffler on the WG and it wasn't any louder than if rerouted to the main exhaust.

Jack


Quick Reply: recirculated in dp vs. open wastegate ...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:13 AM.