Single Turbo RX-7's Questions about all aspects of single turbo setups.

My fuel pressure wont move

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 13, 2006 | 08:10 PM
  #1  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
My fuel pressure wont move

I Just installed 1600cc secondaries with a new fuel rail. I am trying to adjust the FPR but it is stuck at 45 psi. How the hell do i adjust it.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2006 | 07:38 PM
  #2  
NeedFD's Avatar
R. R. R.
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,892
Likes: 0
From: san jose
do you have an aftermarket fpr? the stock has its limitations...
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 07:02 AM
  #3  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Aftermarket. It is a SX
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 08:10 AM
  #4  
dubulup's Avatar
development
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,714
Likes: 7
From: Lafayette, LA
unscrew the nut on top and turn the allen screw CW/CCW to adjust
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:21 PM
  #5  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Thats why im asking this question because i have done that numerous times with no result. The needle still wont move. Could it be that it is not grounded to the car? If so, then how do I go about grounded it? Do i just take a wire and attach one end to the car and one end to the FPR. Thanks
-Floman
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:23 PM
  #6  
dubulup's Avatar
development
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,714
Likes: 7
From: Lafayette, LA
it's mechanical...no grounding needed. is your car running while you are doing this?
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 12:27 PM
  #7  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
You don't ground the regulator to the car. All you do is adjust the allen screw on top of the regulator. Screwing it in will give you more pressure and screwing it out will drop the pressure. Also you are saying that you have 45psi of fuel pressure. Is that at idle? Or is it with the car off and the fuel relay jumpered?

To properly adjust it start the car and let it idle. Pull off the vacuum line off of the regulator and then adjust the "base pressure" to anywhere between 30-34 psi by screwing in or out the hex screw. Now reattach the vacuum line back on the nipple on the fuel regulator and your done. Your pressure at idle should now be around 38-40 psi. Try that first.

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2006 | 01:21 PM
  #8  
BMike's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
Does it go down at all? If it never moves from 45 the gauge is broken, if it won't go up, your fuel pump may be at its pressure limit. If your gauge is electrical then grounding would be an issue, but if its just a regular gauge that mounts right on the FPR there's no electrical stuff to consider.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 08:57 AM
  #9  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
It is just a regular gauge that mounts on the FPR. Also it is at idle when the fuel pressure reads 45psi. It goes up when i rev it but even when I take the vacum hose off and adjust the screw the pressure will not move. Can someone clear up for me how the FPR is supposed to be hook up. Maybe the problem is in the installation
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 09:31 AM
  #10  
BMike's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted by floman
It is just a regular gauge that mounts on the FPR. Also it is at idle when the fuel pressure reads 45psi. It goes up when i rev it but even when I take the vacum hose off and adjust the screw the pressure will not move. Can someone clear up for me how the FPR is supposed to be hook up. Maybe the problem is in the installation
There's an in and an out for fuel, and a vacuum nipple that hooks to a vacuum source after the throttle body. So we're clear, at idle with the vacuum connected, whats the fuel pressure, then with it disconnected does the pressure change and if so to what, and whats the highest you see when you rev it.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 10:32 AM
  #11  
eViLRotor's Avatar
Brother of the Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,781
Likes: 2
From: Arkham Asylum
Originally Posted by crazyrx7
To properly adjust it start the car and let it idle. Pull off the vacuum line off of the regulator and then adjust the "base pressure" to anywhere between 30-34 psi by screwing in or out the hex screw. Now reattach the vacuum line back on the nipple on the fuel regulator and your done. Your pressure at idle should now be around 38-40 psi. Try that first.

R.K.
This is not correct.

If your car is idling, and you set the base fuel pressure at atmospheric (ie, with the vac line off) to X psi, once you hook the vacuum line back up, your fuel pressure will drop, not increase, since the regulator is now seeing vaccum.

So, just as an example: Base fuel pressure of 40psi at atmospheric, would be around 37 psi at idle.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 12:44 PM
  #12  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Originally Posted by eViLRotor
This is not correct.

If your car is idling, and you set the base fuel pressure at atmospheric (ie, with the vac line off) to X psi, once you hook the vacuum line back up, your fuel pressure will drop, not increase, since the regulator is now seeing vaccum.

So, just as an example: Base fuel pressure of 40psi at atmospheric, would be around 37 psi at idle.

**** I got all screwed up with the numbers. What I meant to type was with the vacuum line back on you should get between 28 and 32 psi of fuel pressure. Sorry my mistake.

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 04:39 PM
  #13  
maxcooper's Avatar
WWFSMD
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,035
Likes: 4
From: SoCal
Quick check of FPR plumbing:
1. There should be a line coming from the secondary fuel rail to the side of the FPR
2. The other side port on the FPR should be plugged.
3. The bottom port on the FPR should connect to the return line that goes back to the tank.

-Max
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 08:42 PM
  #14  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Ok so i have it hooked up right thankfully. It doesnt matter if the vacum line is on or off the fuel pressure is stuck at 40 or 45. Its weird. When i rev it up sometimes it spikes to like 100 but lately it has been moving only about 10 psi up. I do just have the FPR just sittling there not mounted to anything. Could that be the problem? Its boggling my mind. I have to get the car running, my family is fighting over one car and its is driving everyone insane. Thanks
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2006 | 10:19 PM
  #15  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Take some pics of your setup like the regulator and show us which lines are going into it and out.

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2006 | 03:20 AM
  #16  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Ok i will get some tomorrow and try to post them as soon as possible.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2006 | 10:54 AM
  #17  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Here are some pics. Hope you can make sense of this mess.
Attached Thumbnails My fuel pressure wont move-img_4512.jpg   My fuel pressure wont move-img_4503.jpg   My fuel pressure wont move-img_4502.jpg   My fuel pressure wont move-img_4501.jpg   My fuel pressure wont move-img_4511.jpg  

Reply
Old Jun 18, 2006 | 06:07 PM
  #18  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Looks like you have it hooked up right. Do you have anyone that you can swap the fpr with?
Thats what I did when I wasn't getting enough pressure and found out my fuel pump "o" ring was cracked and leaking fuel.

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2006 | 09:41 PM
  #19  
BMike's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
Make sure you mount that thing to something, if the gauge isn't bad already it won't last long getting knocked around in the engine bay. Sounds like you've got a bad gauge or a bad pump.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2006 | 10:12 PM
  #20  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
What does your pressure guage say when the car is off? If it still says 45psi then your guage is hooped. If it drops to zero then its alright. Also what fuel pump are you running? Is it stock or aftermarket?

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2006 | 10:29 PM
  #21  
SPOautos's Avatar
Hey, where did my $$$ go?
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,413
Likes: 0
From: Bimingham, AL
if u gauge is accutate, you probably have a kink in ur return line or too much pump. if u free rev it and get 100psi id you probably have the wrong type of fpr
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2006 | 01:42 AM
  #22  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Thanks for the help guys. I have also notice that fuel leaks out of the vacum nipple on the FPR. Also I have a walbro 255 fuel pump. The gauge goes down to zero when the car is off.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2006 | 08:01 AM
  #23  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Fuel isn't supposed to be coming out that nipple. It sounds like you ruptured the diaphram in the regulator. Its time for a new one. Get the aeromotive one.

R.K.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2006 | 11:43 PM
  #24  
floman's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 287
Likes: 0
From: Austin
Ok so i got a new fuel pressure regulator and put it on my car. The old one was definetly bad. I know no this because i can change the fuel pressure with that screw at the top and before I could not. But, the car runs the same, like ****. I dont know what the hell is happening but i do notice something weird. When i turn on the car, there is a hissing sound that wasnt there before i put the fuel stuff on. I checked all the vacum hoses and they are intacted. Is there anyone who can tell me what that noise is or why my car is not running properly. Please help me. Ahhhhhhh this is driving me mad. PS if you live in Austin, I would very much apriciate it if you would come out to my house and look at my car and see if you can help out.
Reply
Old Jun 20, 2006 | 08:02 AM
  #25  
crazyrx7's Avatar
Big Daddy!!!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Try changing your plugs. They are probably fouled due to you running so rich. The hissing sound you have to start investigating on your own. Just make sure all of your fuel connections are tight. Also do you have a boost gauge? What vacuum are you pulling at idle? You might have forgot to cap a vacuum line or something like that and now you have a leak. At least you figured out the fpr proble.

R.K.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:57 PM.