thanx rey...roger, who did the build up/porting? motor pinned?

 

so are you always gonna mix with c16?

 

Why not ?
I rather spend the money for a couple of gallons
of C16 then risk it


I have a duel stage boost controller(profec B Type S)

Low boost is 15 PSI =479HP which I can easily run 93 pump with no worries
and that HP should get me into the 10's

High Boost is 19 spiking to 20PSI
Which I will only use at the track
and mix some c16 for my own peace of mind
not that I need to...................


I'm not done yet
I plan to make well over 600 later this year

before I switch to a 3Rotor

 

Can you map out your HP to RPM ratio? IE @ 2200 RPM = XXX HP, 2400 RPM = XXX HP, etc

 

did you tune the 15 psi on 93 or the 93 and c16 mix, if you tuned with the mix, make sure its safe enouf with 93. what af did you run with 15 psi?

 

Very nice! Thats making my HP hungry!

 

before this Tunning

I was running 15PSI everyday - 93 pump with premix(road tunning done by me)
I got my A/F's to 10.8-11.1
depending on out side temps.......no issues

Red
This my 1st time using a electronic boost controller
I have always used wastegate springs

I dd not tune my "gain' feature on my Profec B
as good as I should

did couple of runs on the street untill I felt it was good
and not spiking
I could make the boost come on sooner if I so desired
But I prefer a bit of pre-lag
since I do 1/4 mile runs
I don't want to over power my Drag Radials off the line

The friends scanner did not work
I'll have to buy one


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Ok found one Pic on my digi cam of a graph

this one was at 16'ish PSI which was good for 503

The final graph is a bit diffrent on the top part
keep in mind

 

wow not too much lag..might even have cut that lag if it was a large street port or a pb..hmm pb would be awsome with your setup

 

sorry guys but there are some things
I can not make public
like what my split is or timming map
since this is the GATEWAY for making good and Safe HP on a rotary

There are alot of people that read these boards that never post
I have learned
and some of them are from my Town
and are plain SPYS
relating info I post to "others"

Since the "others" are no rotary experts in the LEAST
they search and copy setups

The revenge of Kabooski is coming SPYS
get ready for a *** whooping

 

Impressive numbers... but I think it's rather unfortunate that you feel the need to keep your timing secret. Seems to me that the more information out there, the better off everyone is...

 

are you saying that you know a good way to make safe power with a rotary engine, but you're NOT sharing it?

Where's the love, man?

Besides, from the photos, it looks like your maps and timing are the secrets of that Microtech tuner with the laptop, so what's the big deal? Did he tell you not to tell anyone?

-s-

 

Trust me
if I was the only one from Florida
reading n posting here
would share no problems

I do share alot

But anyone any tuner even one that has never touched a rotary
can tune Air Fuel Rations

But timming is unique to our cars
and that is where Piston tuners run into trouble
They just don't know how the rotary ignition works

They must copy others
to get it some what decent
till they get it right with trial n error

You would not believe how many people visit this site

Its a shame we can not be as open with each other
as other car communities

But since we all use factory parts
unlike the piston guys that can deck, sleeve etc

We can only port and close motors
and make setup
and then tune setup


Here where I'm at (Central Florida)
Were divided into camps
That is just the way it is

Its all about having the reputation

I bought this Turbo, HKS manifold, HKS wastegate and whole 3" exhuast system
and even the wheels and tires...lol from some one here in town

He made 388@ 17 PSI
on the same dyno

I made 511 @17 PSI

95% same exact setup

You tell me if "rotary" tunning makes a diffrence

BUT on the other hand
You must have a good setup
No amount of tunning is going to get you high HP numbers
if your motor is weak, your fuel system is not up to par
etc

This are things that can not be blamed on the tuner
if you don't get the numbers you hoped for

For example
My friend has a FC with a ported 13B-REW swap
T70 turbo
tubular manifold
4 1600cc injectors
2 Aeromotive FP's
-10 fuel lines
custom fuel rails
Koyo Rad
etc

he could only make 440@18 PSI a few months ago
with my tunner on the dyno
(he is going to re-tune tommarow BTW with a fresh motor)

His setup was not working
and even he admits it
but we shall see if maybe he just had a weak motor

My 13BT 87-88 side plates are tiny compared to 13RE and 13BREW's
so I'm very impressed with my numbers to say the least

 

Holy ****! Nice numbers :O

 

Tuner is Gaby from Purto Rico
who flew in this week

TiTan motor sports
is a shop dedicated to Supras
They have 2 6 second 2jz celicas
and a 8 second street tire supra

We only rented there Dyno

 

Holy moley, makes me- vaklimphed. I'm running same turbo and tearbo2 is tuning
friday.My luck I'll make 200whp at 200psi. Great numbers-congrats!!

 

No matter what, great numbers! Keep up the good work

Edan

 

Nah Mate
you will be just fine

Lee knows his stuff!

in other news

I'm picking up a car
saturday that makes 38 FWHP stock lol

 

so can you tell us what air fuel ratio you ran on the dyno? or is it as secretive as the timing

 

im in the market for another turbo
where could someone find one like yours?

 

Hey, if he wants to keep it to himself, why insist that he "share"? I'm confident that if you guys took the time to understand and experiment with things, then you could enjoy the same or greater success in the future.

I think the only time people should share things among the rotary community is if something doesn't work right... or will cause trouble.

 

Open source is the way to go. Many people working on the same problem, sharing experiences for others to learn from, will waste less time and accomplish greater tasks more quickly. The sooner people realize this, the more quickly great things will be accomplished. I'm starting to think Gaby didn't tell him the exact specs of the tuning. I personally don't even own a tuneable ECU, so I shouldn't care as much as I do. But with the current state of the rotary, enthusiasts should be helping each other to better the breed. If everyone else is doing something significantly wrong, it's almost like you're giving us a big "F--- You" by not letting us know what we should fix. I doubt it's something as big as that, but since it might be, I'd like to hear about it.

Maybe he just leaned it out nicely and backed off the ignition advance. Maybe he kept it rich and advanced the timing. Maybe he made you promise not to tell what you did, so that he can continue to make profit from his experience. If that's the case, I'll respect that. But if not, this cloak-and-dagger business has no place here.

-s-

 

Yes, but how is NOT making the numbers that kabooski makes a PROBLEM? I don't see it as a problem to make less power than him with maybe even the exact setup. However, if he told everyone the benefits and none of the problems of doing things his certain way, then.....

But yea, finding an advantage and keeping it to yourself is how all of motorsports is like... whether amateur or professional. Different people/teams will always find an advantage before another person/team finds it and utilizes it.

 

Yeah, I guess you have no idea what "intellectual property" means too, huh.
I'm assuming kabooski PAID for this service, so why would he voluntarily give up information he PAID for.
You need to take a basic econ class on SUPPLY and DEMAND.


You sound like you know enough to be dangerous.
I'll give you a big clue - advancing the ignition timing does not give you more power.
Having too retarded ignition timing surpresses power.
Having an overly advanced ignition timing blows the motor.
Good tuners have a base ignition map in their heads and then fine-tune that to customers cars.
This is why they are PAID to do this, and you're not.
Think about it...


-Ted

 

guys guys

If you search
there is a thread that goes into timming in pretty good detail
where some real good tuners around the world
posted some techniques they use

I gave you guys a big hint
on how to tune timming
Since I do not have a EGT guage

"tuners (actually his helper) kept looking at peak torque after every pull and made adjusments"

could I tune my own car?
yes

I got my car running damm good with me just road tunning on a wideband
on 93 pump at 15 PSI My A/F where in the high 10's to low 11's
(11.5 would be fine but I don't have a air sensor working)

Your timming needs not to be agressive
and you don't need to be with a street car
only a race car where every HP counts


I ran 11.8@119
with ME tunning the car

20 psi ... -14
18 psi ... -13
16 psi ... -12
14 psi ... -12
10 psi ... -07
8 psi ... -05
6 psi ... -06
4 psi ... -04
2 psi ... -02
00"Hg ... +00
06"Hg ... +02
12"Hg ... +03
18"Hg ... +04
24"Hg ... +05

This a 2D table uses algorythems to fill in the others points

switched to 3D tables on the Dyno(has more load points)

use this as a quide and then fine tune with a EGT
if you do not have access to a tuner in your area

My water temps
engine bay temps
Air temps
crispness
acceleration
WOT operation

ALL was perfect
with this timming map I used before this tunning job

Remember one thing
and it is a VERY important point

You could have the same exact setup
I mean down to the nut and bolt
BUT every engine is diffrent
why? cause every side housing is lapped diffrently
every port job is diffrent (its made by hand not CNC)

closing the motor properly
making sure everything is clearanced right
all effects how much power you will make

Tunning can ONLY extract the power you have
it CAN NOT make power out of the blue

This is why tunners would like you to do a compression test
when a customer wants to do high boost pulls
and make sure the rest of there system(fuel and spark) are up to par

I learned how to tune my car just searching here thru threads
and reading books and user group sites
and buying a wideband <-- which is a must
get a EGT for timming

Live and let learn Friends

_

Roger