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10-23-06, 11:15 AM
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Is this kit on ebay any good or is it the "you get what you pay for" kind of deal?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T4-Tu...47383172QQrdZ1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T4-Tu...47383172QQrdZ1
10-23-06, 11:56 AM
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You get what you pay for. I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole. I am running the ssauto turbo manifold but thats all i will run. I have heard horror stories about the turbos and they are not what they say they are. Some people have had good luck with the wastegates with minor modifications. Save your money.
10-23-06, 08:37 PM
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The manifolds are fine.
Turbos though:
taken from another site
Turbos though:
taken from another site
.....i recently helped a friend fab up a turbo kit for his car.he ordered the $700 special from SSAutoChrome for the turbo,mani,wastegate and BOV.
the turbo has "XS Power" stamped on the compressor side,and is a T3/T4 hybrid.
after about 30 miles of driving,the compressor housing broke in half!it appears the two halfs are held together with some kind of epoxy?i've never really paid any attention to it before,but i figured they'd be welded together or some other stronger means.this weekend i'll be back at the shop to check out my turbo and another one from SSAC to compare how the two halfs are joined.
anybody ever seen this happen before?freak occurrence,or a result of shoddy work on assembly of the housing?the edges of the vanes are now folded over from contact with the housing,and the shaft has over 1/8" of play in it.not sure if this is a result of the housing moving and pushing against the shaft making the bushings fail,or if the bushings failed indpendently of the housing,or if maybe even the bushings failed,letting the vanes hit the housing and contribute to the cracking.....
the turbo has "XS Power" stamped on the compressor side,and is a T3/T4 hybrid.
after about 30 miles of driving,the compressor housing broke in half!it appears the two halfs are held together with some kind of epoxy?i've never really paid any attention to it before,but i figured they'd be welded together or some other stronger means.this weekend i'll be back at the shop to check out my turbo and another one from SSAC to compare how the two halfs are joined.
anybody ever seen this happen before?freak occurrence,or a result of shoddy work on assembly of the housing?the edges of the vanes are now folded over from contact with the housing,and the shaft has over 1/8" of play in it.not sure if this is a result of the housing moving and pushing against the shaft making the bushings fail,or if the bushings failed indpendently of the housing,or if maybe even the bushings failed,letting the vanes hit the housing and contribute to the cracking.....
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10-30-06, 11:10 PM
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everything on ebay isnt trash. But other than their manifolds I dont think buying ssac is worth it considering you'll be buying the same parts all over again when they all break
11-05-06, 01:51 PM
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The Chinese manufacturers of those wastegates, and turbos actually supply HKS, Holset and more.
The reason the ones on ebay are crap is because the sellers SS Autochrome for one get them cheaper than what big companies pay for. The only way the manufacturer could do that is to manufacture them in sub standard and use cheaper materials.
If you notice its been a while since they started selling those turbos and wastegates on ebay and no lawsuits have been filed, why because the brand name companies does not design or made most of their products. They would rather source it out than hire a full time engineer getting paid until a new car comes out.
The reason the ones on ebay are crap is because the sellers SS Autochrome for one get them cheaper than what big companies pay for. The only way the manufacturer could do that is to manufacture them in sub standard and use cheaper materials.
If you notice its been a while since they started selling those turbos and wastegates on ebay and no lawsuits have been filed, why because the brand name companies does not design or made most of their products. They would rather source it out than hire a full time engineer getting paid until a new car comes out.
11-06-06, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rex7-93
i would stay away from ssautochrome parts
I haven't heard anything about their turbos, however the kit does look impressive, at least in my opinion and I am considering their their ball bearing turbo. May be I'm missing something, but I don't see a difference b/w say a garrett turbo and the ssautochrome turbo. Both consist of aluminium and cast iron, so what's the difference? You could buy the same turbo from xs for $800-$900 or whatever they sell for, and the same could happen, it could split, bearings could seize, etc. The only difference that I see is that you can contact xs and may be get them to replace it although I doubt they will. I would take my chances with $300 turbo from ebay than essentially the same turbo from say hks. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
11-06-06, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by brooklynfc3s
everything on ebay isnt trash. But other than their manifolds I dont think buying ssac is worth it considering you'll be buying the same parts all over again when they all break
11-06-06, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ghost-rider
I think it's on case to case basis. I bought a full stainless steel, engine back, exhaust system from them and I couldn't complain. The welds are nearly perferct, all polished, great fitment. May be someone wasn't this lucky.
I haven't heard anything about their turbos, however the kit does look impressive, at least in my opinion and I am considering their their ball bearing turbo. May be I'm missing something, but I don't see a difference b/w say a garrett turbo and the ssautochrome turbo. Both consist of aluminium and cast iron, so what's the difference? You could buy the same turbo from xs for $800-$900 or whatever they sell for, and the same could happen, it could split, bearings could seize, etc. The only difference that I see is that you can contact xs and may be get them to replace it although I doubt they will. I would take my chances with $300 turbo from ebay than essentially the same turbo from say hks. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
I haven't heard anything about their turbos, however the kit does look impressive, at least in my opinion and I am considering their their ball bearing turbo. May be I'm missing something, but I don't see a difference b/w say a garrett turbo and the ssautochrome turbo. Both consist of aluminium and cast iron, so what's the difference? You could buy the same turbo from xs for $800-$900 or whatever they sell for, and the same could happen, it could split, bearings could seize, etc. The only difference that I see is that you can contact xs and may be get them to replace it although I doubt they will. I would take my chances with $300 turbo from ebay than essentially the same turbo from say hks. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
11-06-06, 09:20 PM
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^^^ I wouldn't try their wastegate as I already had a small problem with a bov, The spring broke so I had to replace it, no big deal, With the turbo as with anything else I'd say there is a 50-50 chance of something breaking no matter what company you choose to go with, except for may be hks, who stand behind their reputation. Then again their turbos are in $1000 range. As long as the turbo is ball bearing, I'm willing to give it a chance. 
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11-06-06, 10:35 PM
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You want to make power, you got to pay. No way around it. Sometimes you get lucky and find deals, but with critical components I never skimp. Why is the compressor housing glued together anyway? Should have been cast/machined as one piece. Its almost like they don't have the right tooling to make them so they cut them in half, machine the insides, then try to put back together.
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11-07-06, 07:55 AM
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Honestly, anyone who installs an xspower/ssautochrome/superstone racing turbo kit on their FD, FC, whatever is just asking for problems. There is no way that the story has a happy ending.
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11-07-06, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ghost-rider
^^^case to case basis
11-07-06, 05:06 PM
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so ...no time for this
lol...
this is like the .... xxxth time I read a thread about it...?
anyways... its fun to keep arguing and see how it goes by now...
i have been using their manifold, 50mm BOV and 50mm WG on my FD about 2 years from now (+430whp... and about 6 months at +500whp...) NOT a single problem...and I know several people using them with no problems neither...
Although,,,,ON MY OWN experience.... turbos are CRAP and specs are NOT what they claim to be... specially the "wet floating ball bearing" ****!
lately i have seen they are selling their turbos with the turbonetics "T" printed on the CHRA like a real one... but don't know about the internals...
if you are low budget as i was,,, is a good choice (Manifold, BOV & WG) if fails,,, still is a good choice in terms of welding back or changing the spring etc...it will anyways be a LOT less from what it would take from a known "good" brand... and you might want try their turbos for LOW BOOST (8-12 psi)...
...but if you have the money and want to lower the risk %... go with the "super" brands...
this is like the .... xxxth time I read a thread about it...?
anyways... its fun to keep arguing and see how it goes by now...
i have been using their manifold, 50mm BOV and 50mm WG on my FD about 2 years from now (+430whp... and about 6 months at +500whp...) NOT a single problem...and I know several people using them with no problems neither...
Although,,,,ON MY OWN experience.... turbos are CRAP and specs are NOT what they claim to be... specially the "wet floating ball bearing" ****!
lately i have seen they are selling their turbos with the turbonetics "T" printed on the CHRA like a real one... but don't know about the internals...
if you are low budget as i was,,, is a good choice (Manifold, BOV & WG) if fails,,, still is a good choice in terms of welding back or changing the spring etc...it will anyways be a LOT less from what it would take from a known "good" brand... and you might want try their turbos for LOW BOOST (8-12 psi)...
...but if you have the money and want to lower the risk %... go with the "super" brands...
11-07-06, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ghost-rider
I think it's on case to case basis. I bought a full stainless steel, engine back, exhaust system from them and I couldn't complain. The welds are nearly perferct, all polished, great fitment. May be someone wasn't this lucky.
I haven't heard anything about their turbos, however the kit does look impressive, at least in my opinion and I am considering their their ball bearing turbo. May be I'm missing something, but I don't see a difference b/w say a garrett turbo and the ssautochrome turbo. Both consist of aluminium and cast iron, so what's the difference? You could buy the same turbo from xs for $800-$900 or whatever they sell for, and the same could happen, it could split, bearings could seize, etc. The only difference that I see is that you can contact xs and may be get them to replace it although I doubt they will. I would take my chances with $300 turbo from ebay than essentially the same turbo from say hks. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
I haven't heard anything about their turbos, however the kit does look impressive, at least in my opinion and I am considering their their ball bearing turbo. May be I'm missing something, but I don't see a difference b/w say a garrett turbo and the ssautochrome turbo. Both consist of aluminium and cast iron, so what's the difference? You could buy the same turbo from xs for $800-$900 or whatever they sell for, and the same could happen, it could split, bearings could seize, etc. The only difference that I see is that you can contact xs and may be get them to replace it although I doubt they will. I would take my chances with $300 turbo from ebay than essentially the same turbo from say hks. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
11-07-06, 10:13 PM
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Here are what I know are good
60mm wastegate from SSAutocrap
50mm BOV from SS Autocrap
50mm Wastegate from Thailand (HKS supplier)
SARD look alike adj fuel pressure regulators. These actually come from SARD supplier
As far as turbo's I havent seen a compressor wheel that is comparable to Garrett or any other manufacturer
60mm wastegate from SSAutocrap
50mm BOV from SS Autocrap
50mm Wastegate from Thailand (HKS supplier)
SARD look alike adj fuel pressure regulators. These actually come from SARD supplier
As far as turbo's I havent seen a compressor wheel that is comparable to Garrett or any other manufacturer
11-07-06, 10:16 PM
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Oh man that picture is some scary crap. Every stinking one of those turbos (if you could even call them that) is going to be involved in an unhappy story.
For the guys talking about budgets, what's going to happen to your budget when the case separates, hits the vanes, and your motor eats the pieces? I don't think it's a question of if, only of when it will happen.
For the guys talking about budgets, what's going to happen to your budget when the case separates, hits the vanes, and your motor eats the pieces? I don't think it's a question of if, only of when it will happen.