Custom Fuel Rails from the One and Only
04-10-02, 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by RETed
$399 Aussie?
The rail material is only like $15-$20 a foot.&nbp Get them cut down and you have about $30 worth of rail material.  Taps cost about $30 to thread the ends.  Brackets worth about $10 in scrap materials.  Bolt and fasteners about another $10.  The machined bungs are about $10 in scrap dowel pieces but require a machine lathe to turn out.  I see about $100 - $150 worh of stuff in that pic on the EXPENSIVE side!  All $ in U.S. dollars...
-Ted
$399 Aussie?
The rail material is only like $15-$20 a foot.&nbp Get them cut down and you have about $30 worth of rail material.  Taps cost about $30 to thread the ends.  Brackets worth about $10 in scrap materials.  Bolt and fasteners about another $10.  The machined bungs are about $10 in scrap dowel pieces but require a machine lathe to turn out.  I see about $100 - $150 worh of stuff in that pic on the EXPENSIVE side!  All $ in U.S. dollars...
-Ted
I don't see K2RD giving rails away....
04-10-02, 06:53 AM
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Greg,
Can you give me a price for replecement primary and secondary rails + 2 x 850 primary Bosch (blue tops) + 2 x 1600 cc secondary (blue tops) injectors + all fittings needed for bolt in?
I want to use this with a T51 R KAI single turbo.
Please PM me or email me at twinturborx7r1@hotmail.com
Can you give me a price for replecement primary and secondary rails + 2 x 850 primary Bosch (blue tops) + 2 x 1600 cc secondary (blue tops) injectors + all fittings needed for bolt in?
I want to use this with a T51 R KAI single turbo.
Please PM me or email me at twinturborx7r1@hotmail.com
04-10-02, 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
And it costs how much for fittings, and the labor to do the milling and cutting?
And it costs how much for fittings, and the labor to do the milling and cutting?
If the equipment has been amortolized into the business cost by now, you're talking about 10 minutes of set-up time and about 10 minutes of actual milling time for a competent machinist.  3-phase 220V power, maybe about $5 worth of electricity.
Hey, you wanna pay $399, that's fine by me.  I've gotten into beefs with other about what things cost to make versus actual prices for purchase.  You're trying to defend the $399 pruchase price?
I don't see K2RD giving rails away....
-Ted
04-10-02, 09:36 AM
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First off Ray Lockhead sells his ONLY SECONDARY kit with injectors for $849!!!! ONLY SECONDARIES. Ari sells his SECONDARY Kit for $695 w injectors SECONDARY ONLY!!! Once Again www.k2rd.com sells just the SECONDARY kit for $220 + shipping ONLY SECONDARY. Whats so unfair about asking $399 for a total kit ???? WTF
The price is as is, If you think the price is too high then do what i do when I think the price is too high. (Dont Buy It) But there is also no need to **** on someone elses plan.
The price is as is, If you think the price is too high then do what i do when I think the price is too high. (Dont Buy It) But there is also no need to **** on someone elses plan.
04-10-02, 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
Its rather funny how you **** on people for wanting to save some cash elsewhere, but when something like this comes along you down the hell out of it....
Its rather funny how you **** on people for wanting to save some cash elsewhere, but when something like this comes along you down the hell out of it....
-Ted
04-11-02, 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by RETed
$6 each from Summit Racing.
If the equipment has been amortolized into the business cost by now, you're talking about 10 minutes of set-up time and about 10 minutes of actual milling time for a competent machinist. 3-phase 220V power, maybe about $5 worth of electricity.
Hey, you wanna pay $399, that's fine by me. I've gotten into beefs with other about what things cost to make versus actual prices for purchase. You're trying to defend the $399 pruchase price?
-Ted
$6 each from Summit Racing.
If the equipment has been amortolized into the business cost by now, you're talking about 10 minutes of set-up time and about 10 minutes of actual milling time for a competent machinist. 3-phase 220V power, maybe about $5 worth of electricity.
Hey, you wanna pay $399, that's fine by me. I've gotten into beefs with other about what things cost to make versus actual prices for purchase. You're trying to defend the $399 pruchase price?
-Ted
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04-11-02, 06:14 AM
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The price is really in the engineering, when people are unable or scared to do things themselves, they will pay almost anything to get it done for them and rightly so..
However there is really only about 25 bucks of Home depot material there, and 399.99 is a little steep, if it were like 200.00-250 then maybe, if someone in say Canada wanted that kit, that fuel rail turns into 399.00x1.61x1.07= 687.36 +brokerage +shipping, thats easily 750-780.00 once its here..Max
However there is really only about 25 bucks of Home depot material there, and 399.99 is a little steep, if it were like 200.00-250 then maybe, if someone in say Canada wanted that kit, that fuel rail turns into 399.00x1.61x1.07= 687.36 +brokerage +shipping, thats easily 750-780.00 once its here..Max
04-11-02, 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Dragon
You forgot about the shop's rent/loan... O' and the fact that people need to eat, support there family's, etc...
You forgot about the shop's rent/loan... O' and the fact that people need to eat, support there family's, etc...
It's been my experience that PRICE is the #1 factor for people purchasing products.  I dunno about you, but most consumers look at price first.  This does not apply to Ray's customers, cause they feel justified paying OVER retail for products - hey, if they are happy...
Now, if I had the resources, I could make those rails for at least $100 less, and still have enough to make a healthy profit for my well-being.  I'm sorry if you feel insulted for my comments; that wasn't the notion behind my replies.  I just wanted to point out how things actually cost to make versus what people actually charge for them.  Hey, blame the middle man!  I guess that's why we have the need for "managers" huh...
-Ted
04-11-02, 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by RETed
Now, if I had the resources, I could make those rails for at least $100 less
-Ted
Now, if I had the resources, I could make those rails for at least $100 less
-Ted
04-11-02, 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Dragon
Umm hmmm, If you had the resources.. but you don't that's why you gotta pay $399.00 for a set
Umm hmmm, If you had the resources.. but you don't that's why you gotta pay $399.00 for a set
-Ted
04-11-02, 09:28 PM
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Let him sell it for what he wants
Just let him sell it for how much ever he wants.. Who cares, he made it... BUt if they where cheaper I would buy it.. i'm sure alot of other would to.. So it is all basically math. 400 dollars for a set and you sold it to say 4 people... 1600 dollar made (not acounting for acutal cost of course) now you have say... 8 poeple buying 8 sets at 300 a per set.. 2400 dollars made... heheh.. just my 02... but i like to push quantity... Plus you build clients.. the same four guys can only buy so much from you.. If you had more clients, even though they might not be buying the same product it always leads to more buisness.. plus i would tell my friend I got it this cheap and he would then tell his friend an so on... If I bought it for 400, i wouldn't tell anyone to buy it.. thats why I wouldn't pay 400 for it... But it does look nice and I wish I could afford to buy it but as some of you my know. Rx7 sucks a ton of money... and partially becuase of high mark ups like this one.. hard to find cheap parts for 3rd gens any where these days.. Not flamming anyone... I just tend to have alot of opinions.. just ask any of my friends...=)
good day to all...
good day to all...
04-11-02, 11:13 PM
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Re: Let him sell it for what he wants
Originally posted by IgoSlow
Just let him sell it for how much ever he wants.. Who cares, he made it... BUt if they where cheaper I would buy it.. i'm sure alot of other would to.. So it is all basically math. 400 dollars for a set and you sold it to say 4 people... 1600 dollar made (not acounting for acutal cost of course) now you have say... 8 poeple buying 8 sets at 300 a per set.. 2400 dollars made... heheh.. just my 02... but i like to push quantity... Plus you build clients.. the same four guys can only buy so much from you.. If you had more clients, even though they might not be buying the same product it always leads to more buisness.. plus i would tell my friend I got it this cheap and he would then tell his friend an so on... If I bought it for 400, i wouldn't tell anyone to buy it.. thats why I wouldn't pay 400 for it... But it does look nice and I wish I could afford to buy it but as some of you my know. Rx7 sucks a ton of money... and partially becuase of high mark ups like this one.. hard to find cheap parts for 3rd gens any where these days.. Not flamming anyone... I just tend to have alot of opinions.. just ask any of my friends...=)
good day to all...
Just let him sell it for how much ever he wants.. Who cares, he made it... BUt if they where cheaper I would buy it.. i'm sure alot of other would to.. So it is all basically math. 400 dollars for a set and you sold it to say 4 people... 1600 dollar made (not acounting for acutal cost of course) now you have say... 8 poeple buying 8 sets at 300 a per set.. 2400 dollars made... heheh.. just my 02... but i like to push quantity... Plus you build clients.. the same four guys can only buy so much from you.. If you had more clients, even though they might not be buying the same product it always leads to more buisness.. plus i would tell my friend I got it this cheap and he would then tell his friend an so on... If I bought it for 400, i wouldn't tell anyone to buy it.. thats why I wouldn't pay 400 for it... But it does look nice and I wish I could afford to buy it but as some of you my know. Rx7 sucks a ton of money... and partially becuase of high mark ups like this one.. hard to find cheap parts for 3rd gens any where these days.. Not flamming anyone... I just tend to have alot of opinions.. just ask any of my friends...=)
good day to all...
I totally agree with you ..but would you rather pay 600 at RX7.com ??
04-12-02, 03:29 AM
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Re: Re: Let him sell it for what he wants
Originally posted by 3rdGen7
I totally agree with you ..but would you rather pay 600 at RX7.com ??
I totally agree with you ..but would you rather pay 600 at RX7.com ??
Good luck though... DO email me if you decide to come down though..=) always looking for a a even better price =)
04-12-02, 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by RETed
Uh, no.  I don't HAVE to pay for anything.  The FC already runs top-feed fuel injectors.  The Bosch 1600's fit by changing out the o-rings.  Then all I need to do it switch over the fuel injector electrical plugs.  If I really NEED to do this...
-Ted
Uh, no.  I don't HAVE to pay for anything.  The FC already runs top-feed fuel injectors.  The Bosch 1600's fit by changing out the o-rings.  Then all I need to do it switch over the fuel injector electrical plugs.  If I really NEED to do this...
-Ted
04-12-02, 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dragon
Then that brings up a new question.. Why the hell are you bitching about the price of FD fuel rails if you own a FC?
Then that brings up a new question.. Why the hell are you bitching about the price of FD fuel rails if you own a FC?
IMO, they are overpriced...
-Ted
04-13-02, 12:52 AM
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Greg,
What is the manufacture and size of the injector that best fit the primary fuel rail of Crispeed's fuel rail kit? What about the pulsation damper that is located on the entry of the stock primary fuel rail; has this been omitted? What type of fittings does the fuel rail accomodate?
-Tony
What is the manufacture and size of the injector that best fit the primary fuel rail of Crispeed's fuel rail kit? What about the pulsation damper that is located on the entry of the stock primary fuel rail; has this been omitted? What type of fittings does the fuel rail accomodate?
-Tony
04-13-02, 01:58 AM
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Ok, since some hypocrites(you are sooo full of ****) and normal consumers are looking for a lower price. I will offer these kits at $335 without fittins and the normal $399 with fittings. i dont really give a **** about making money, I just wanna see Chris get his car up and running again. So thats the price , take it or leave it. noone is forcing you to buy these rails. And if some people think they can do better then stop talking big **** and do it. Anyways, I just wanna see some fast custom rotaries so here it is. The ktis come with the following
*** Kits With fittings *****
$399 with fittings and fuel line from primary to secondary
*** Kits without fittings****
$330 as pictured
***Kit with 160lbs (1600cc x 2) and 80lbs (820cc x 2) injectors fittings and fuel line***
$699
for any person that dont like these prices either do it yourself or find someone else to do it. I am not forcing you to buy these, but you have to realize that someone is going to a shop and makinfg these things one by one. The price is not in the parts, its in the labor and time taken out from what that particular person was doing and making an item to serve the rotary community. Thanks to all the supporters and the people that didnt **** on this idea.
*** Kits With fittings *****
$399 with fittings and fuel line from primary to secondary
*** Kits without fittings****
$330 as pictured
***Kit with 160lbs (1600cc x 2) and 80lbs (820cc x 2) injectors fittings and fuel line***
$699
for any person that dont like these prices either do it yourself or find someone else to do it. I am not forcing you to buy these, but you have to realize that someone is going to a shop and makinfg these things one by one. The price is not in the parts, its in the labor and time taken out from what that particular person was doing and making an item to serve the rotary community. Thanks to all the supporters and the people that didnt **** on this idea.
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04-13-02, 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by RETed
$399 Aussie?
The rail material is only like $15-$20 a foot.&nbp Get them cut down and you have about $30 worth of rail material.  Taps cost about $30 to thread the ends.  Brackets worth about $10 in scrap materials.  Bolt and fasteners about another $10.  The machined bungs are about $10 in scrap dowel pieces but require a machine lathe to turn out.  I see about $100 - $150 worh of stuff in that pic on the EXPENSIVE side!  All $ in U.S. dollars...
-Ted
$399 Aussie?
The rail material is only like $15-$20 a foot.&nbp Get them cut down and you have about $30 worth of rail material.  Taps cost about $30 to thread the ends.  Brackets worth about $10 in scrap materials.  Bolt and fasteners about another $10.  The machined bungs are about $10 in scrap dowel pieces but require a machine lathe to turn out.  I see about $100 - $150 worh of stuff in that pic on the EXPENSIVE side!  All $ in U.S. dollars...
-Ted
Would you perfer to pay $600 bucks at RX7.com ??
