these people dont work for $15 an hour, most shops charge at least 60$ an hour for fabrication like this. what do you think you could make that heat sheild in an hour? so you go buy a sheet of alluminum, a metal brake tool and various other tools to make it then make a template and start bending the metal, then when your done go and coat it with some paint or whatever and tell me how much time you have in it...you have to remember were not talking about a mass production item. this is a custom peice its not something you stamp out on a machine in 5 seconds.
im not trying to start an agument or upset anyone but i dont think you guys are being very respectful nor do i think you really have an understanding of what it takes to make all these items. Lets please keep this thread clean, i didnt want this to turn into an aguement.

 

Honestly man, WTF do you *think* he's building it out of?

The aesthetics of keeping it away from the LIM? I don't understand.

Whats wrong with that manifold. Please for the love of all things rotary or holy, use your massive e-***** to tell me how any peice of that manifold is going to be a **** design, or "doing it wrong"

That is a neat and very out of the box design. That is also a full out race car that doesn't deal with sub 4500RPM powerband. Its a wicked design yes, I posted that in the thread. But it wouldn't be awesome on a street car..........and please enlighten us on how that manifold design you linked to would be any better at reducing the radiant heat to the LIM that you're so worried about with elliot's wastegate location?

Seriously guys, WTF??

 

Looks Great man, I'm sure the Manifold will turn out great. Nice to see an FC getting built. If that last pic is ur car, that is nice. Don't listen to these other guys... ITS YOURS And its looking pretty BAD *** to me!

 

Classicauto, thanks for saving me some typing and saying about everything i was thinking about those guys comments. unbelievable heres a good quote from another forum member that fits these people perfectly..

"A lot of people on the internet act like they know what they are talking about, but the simple fact is they are usually just regurgitating what some else said"

sadly this is particularly true for this forum.

 

Your so brilliant with hind sight as your co pilot , since the material type wasn't mentioned till AFTER my post then I wasn't going to postulate what it was.. you however seem to revel in the glory that is.. redundancy.


Regardless of where the turbo is put, radiant heat will still effect the LIM, so wrap it up with heat wrap you say? sure, but then you can do the same with the turbo in a short runner position and his point is moot, the long tube is simple for looks and it detracts from the efficiency of the turbo .. I know it's hard but try to use whats under that hockey helmet you wear on the bus..

Well since you plainly can't read, given this comment. I will reiterate what I said in my previous post, " unless that header is made from 321..." Since the header IS made from 321 then the rest on my postulation on the effects of sag temp and moment loading is moot.. but this would require you and the OP to be able to read and then reason out from there.. Too much to ask of you I know..

A note to the OP, I've been building and tuning since 84', I'm hardly new or ignorant on this topic, I simply don't agree with the design. If your this offended by a contextualized 'negative' comment then don't post things on the internet for the world to see and comment on, for you to think everyone is going to have a love in for you or the product is naive.

 

IIRC, sean at a-spec builds all his manifolds "long runner." its better for overall performance. i know GoRacer ordered a 500r kit with custom short runner just to maintain his airpump, the kit normally comes with the long runner style. i wonder why that is. if sean the turbo god says it's better, i listen.

also, i was told to stay away from the anti-surge housing on a rotory as it slows spool. this is direct from a garret engineer.

 

A-spec

 

should of just bought my turblown manifold I could of just dropped it off

 

ok so the further you move a heat source away from the intake or something else that your trying to keep cool makes no difference right? i mean as long as its wrapped its cool.. I really could care less weather you like my turbo manifold, but don't come here to stroke your E-***** and bash people with your nonsense and ignorant comments. also i'd like to see some manifolds that you have designed, because i mean it sounds like your an expert and you design these things everyday just like turblown.

 

The material type isn't the problem. The very first post says its being made by turblown. A simple search around here or even google would turn up all the info you need to know about his work, as well as what matieral is used in the manifolds.....although I'm sure he could use other more exotic ones if you requested.

The point is - you can ASK a question, thats not an issue. But being a dick gets you nowhere. "lovely but otherwise useless" and "ricer double speak"

EXACTLY. So why do you think its a problem?

So your only issue with the manifold and design is that its not short runner? Yes? Can you please sum up all of the lost horsepower and spool that will result with this design vs. a shorter one?

Dude I asked you a question. I said I didn't understand - I don't, and no other person reading your original comment would because it doesn't make any ******* sense. Thats why I said I don't understand, in the hopes that you would be a helpful individual and explain the issue you're seeing more clearly......


Then please as I've asked a few times before, explain in plain terms what your issue is. This is a discussion.....I'd like to hear reasons aside from you just don't like it. Unless there is no reason.

Contextualized "negative"?

I don't see how anyone could take that as negative
Regardless - you can be negative sure you don't have to like it. We're just asking for reasons. The material issue (non-issue actually) could have been answered by yourself without taking the time to be negative. But I know you're just a whiney little scot who won't even come out of his hole to face Kevin So I don't expect you have a heap of social skill. Just explain how terrible this manifold is with plain terms please.

Not everyone has to love it. But you guys are going off the deep end here. You'd think this was a ******* debautchery of hardware store plumbing accessories joined with JB weld. The manifold will work fine, is built well. If you've got a problem with the design expain your issue and HELP instead of just being negative. Please.

 

lol you've got 9" of space to work with in an FC and you should have at least 3" of straight run before a turn, more then ample room to add a turbine blanket,heat wrap.. ect. and any number of thermo tec or DEI products to the LIM/UIM..
Your runners starting at the header are the hottest point getting cooler as you move out, pretty straight forward.. so moving the turbo and the accompanying runners 5 feet into the cabin isn't going to change the fact that your runners, ( the hottest point), are in a fixed position next to the LIM..

I'd also point out that your not making your own parts, nor are you providing your own arguments, someone else is for you. Yet you attempt to berate me for my knowledge and skill set.. neither of which you have. So in fact you have no argument other then your feelings were apparently irrevocably damaged by my statement.. to that all I can say is... too bad.

 

Does arguing about this really help anything? The OP shared pictures of his setup because he is proud of it. He has heard the advise that everyone has to give and it's obvious that he is not going to return it, and in fact he seems quite pleased with it. Everyone has their own ideas of what works best but the simple fact is that many people have had great success with both long and short runner headers. I personally had no other choice than to run a long runner setup and it works flawlessly. It spools the turbo quick and makes a little bit of power. Even if there was ONE better design, the power difference between two well designed and well built units would be very little. If you got 3% increase in spool or power from one or the other i would be very surprised.

Here are the fruits of my labor. And yes, it is 321 stainless

 

that is very nice, everything makes sense and for the right reasons.. I dig the hard lines for the BOV's.. nice touch.

 

doridori, I dont have a problem with the fact you dont like the design, there is always going to be people who disagree. And i also have no problem with technical feedback of why you don't like the design. but when you start posting with ignorant disrespectful comments like like the one below,
how do you expect people to not get offended?



go ahead and make all the technical comments you want about why you don't like it....but i hope there not more comments like "the runner tubes are the hottest point" because while they may be slightly hotter the the turbine housing, the heat put on the manifold is surly evened out by the mass of the hot turbine housing compared to the tiny runners, and last time i checked at night the the turbine housing and runners were both glowing red hot after alot of boosting so something tells me that that red hot turbine housing may be radiating some heat....

 

As always, NICE craftmanship!!!

 

i think its funny how you like this one but not mine??? this one is a long runner too??WTF?

 

You just proved in that sentence that you have no f-ing clue what your talking about dude!!!... Just STFU!!!

 

lmao yep... he is going to come back and say " i said it makes sense for all the right reasons" i only think its a good manifold because the guy said he cant fit a short runner..haha are we sure this doridori ******* isn't just a troll? after that statement he fits the profile...

 

care to explain why? if he used a short runner then what? he'd have the turbo sitting IN the wheel well.. but somehow that makes sense to you?

the OP's original reasoning had nothing to do with necessity like this one, it was purely aesthetics with some double speak about 'heat', ( that was going to occour regardless), as the defence for it.

So unless you've got a logical reasoning for your comment, go be the perfect douche somewhere else.

 

again, if you can't take the critics then don't display in public.

 

your pathetic.... how about some logical reasoning?

 

moron.


BOV's? Seriously?



They're called wastegates....

 

Bahahahaha thats awesome

 

Nice to see this guy is being a dick elsewhere on the forum. Idiot.

 

Great stuff Allen, your manifold is top notch!

I agree that the largest benefit between long or short runner is basically whether or not its a solid design. My old greddy log (could be classed as half and half, one 4" runner, one 9" runner ) did OK - it worked - but the new A-spec divided setup is miles ahead in both spool and equal/cooler EGT's.