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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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Anyone got an engine laying around their garage their not using? Something that we could clean up and use for an educational display until you're ready to use it in a car? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Today I went out for a drive and spotted an old First Gen RX7 setting in someone's backyard, flat tires and all. I am going to check it out tomorrow.
Well I just happen to have a 13B from an SE sitting in my garage. It's dirty as hell but AFAIK it's useable. Are you wanting to break it down halfway? It needs to be rebuilt anyway so it wouldn't be an issue as long as we hang onto all the parts.

Let us know what's up with the first gen!

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Yeah man, I was just talking about the halfway rebuild kit. I know you aren't rich (any of us?), but if you are thinking rebuild then I would go full. PFC wouldn't be necessary at this point if you are having engine problems. That would be equivalent to ME...getting...a...PFC...with....engine.........pr oblems........nevermind. I was going to say something about putting a turbo in my car without having it being in good working order. Word mincer today... You get what I'm trying to say. I'm just a compression test spazz when I hear about things going wrong. It's cheap, easy and doesn't take much time.
The reasons I was getting the PFC are as follows:

1. They're about to be discontinued and I want to get one before that because:
A. They're about the most inexpensive and
B. I hear they're very easy to use and very adjustable

2. I was about to add an exhaust and that would make 3 bigger bolt ons (see the 3 mod rule). People don't seem to realize they should upgrade the computer first THEN mods. You can only run so many mods before you need to upgrade the computer and it just makes more sense to do the computer first, or at least run only a COUPLE mods before the computer. Besides with a computer you can get more power out of it by tuning alone.

If YOU'RE feeling froggy, why don't you come down this weekend with your tester and we'll do a comp test on the car for ***** and giggles?

I understand what you're saying about the rebuild kit, but you do with what you have, and I don't even have $500 to be blowing on a new engine right now but between the two, I'd probably go with that one. Ideally though, I'd probably tear the engine down first and see what I could reuse. Like you, I'd much rather have the full kit, but it's not monetarily possible right now.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Yeah, I understand all of those points. My compression tester was dropped and I don't think it's giving good readings. I believe this because I've tested another RX-7 that was running a HELL of a lot better than mine, but it's compression was reading the same as mine. I see where you are coming from with the 3 mod rule.

Anyone else notice the post times have changed? Instead of times they are putting like "3 hours ago" and stuff. I like that a lot better. Hear that mods!?!? RRDI has spoken. We have one of the longest running threads and we approve of this change. (If everyone else agrees...)
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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^^And yes, my rotors and rotor housings will be available!

Thanks for nominating me Phil...***!LOL
Hey, someone was going to do it. I'd rather be the first one to call you out. Ha!
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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^yeah, yeah, whateva! It's cool, anything for the group.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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I don't think RX7 owners are allowed in the Brotherhood of the Draggin', I hear that's only for RX8 owners who really think rotary is a civi club, not a unique engineering marvel that hides under their hood. All they do is look at RX7s funny and keep asking what kinda car is that?
I heard it was the other way around... it's the RX-7 owners who don't consider the 8 owners real Rotary's since we haven't had to rebuild the engine yet (well except for Nic )

Originally Posted by GTUser
Anyone got an engine laying around their garage their not using?
Sounds like speedjunkie may have one, but seriously hopefully it turns out to be something easy to fix.

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I'm still working the the airshow thing, my main issue is getting a head/car count so, I may pass it on the event coordinator.
Count me in on that Head count.

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The next meet???
April 14th, @6:30pm!
Anyone up for another attempt at a pre-meet drive. (minus the "Egyptian Curse" road)
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by darktritium

Not to threadjack (as if we really have a particular topic for this thread), but I figured out my horrid squealing problem: loose brake pads. Yeah, I don't really know how to describe this, but the pads jiggle even with the pins in place. I don't know what I can do other than get a new, cheaper set. I say cheaper because I don't like these Hawk pads. They suck. I do NOT need warmup time for my BRAKES if I'm driving on the street. When I hit the brakes I want to stop.
Do you have the backing plates for the pads installed. I know on mine there are these plates between the pistons and the pad.




Those are for S5 4 pistons but you should have some on the front like it on yours .
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Nic, last year they did say they would be glad to open a class for japanese sports cars or rotary cars if we were going to have some entries. I would like to do that this year and will email the show officials to get that started. I would like to see at least one of every rotary model entered, the pre RX7 cars, the 3 gens of the RX7 and that other rotary powered car, what's it called? :0)

Where did you get the housings and rotors you had at the last Drive-In? Were they from your old engine or a gift from God? I'd like to use them to create a rotary engine display to show the rotary ignorant what it is and how it works. Of course we could do a static model if we could get someone like Gary to run a rotary demonstration on his laptop for the curious. Eric and Josh might appreciate seeing how a rotary engine should work.

Eric, thanks for the offer and I could come get it after we get back from DGRR. Do I need any special tools to strip it down to the housings? I got ziploc bags so could keep and label all the parts.

Now just need to figure out how to build the display and if we want it static or with moving parts. What would be most interesting to car guys and the general public? We could compare the total number of moving parts in the typical piston engine and a rotary, or compare power output to volume and engine weight, maybe back the figures up with dyno charts, Put info in a brochure and stress the toughness of the rotary due to few moving parts - its racing history vs its history in the hands of some owners. Also its other uses in aircraft and marine craft, More Ideas ?
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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I'm in for the Air Show thing again this year if it's on a Sunday like last year. As far as a pre-meet drive.... I'm saving my car for Deals Gap the next week!!! Of course I could take the Vert... hrmmm. Dunno... got alot to do that weekend.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by darktritium

Not to threadjack (as if we really have a particular topic for this thread), but I figured out my horrid squealing problem: loose brake pads. Yeah, I don't really know how to describe this, but the pads jiggle even with the pins in place. I don't know what I can do other than get a new, cheaper set. I say cheaper because I don't like these Hawk pads. They suck. I do NOT need warmup time for my BRAKES if I'm driving on the street. When I hit the brakes I want to stop.

I've not heard a lot of good things from guys who have used Hawks for normal street driving, but they are great for racing. I like PBR ceramics or EBC Red ceramic pads. They sound like you're breaking tiles, dishes and pots when you stop but they last, are low dust, except for all the broken pots and dishes and tiles you leave on the road, and stop the car.

As Greg said the shims are very important in keeping the pads tight and "jiggle" free. Just remember with Sports Cars cheaper is never better except when you're buying racing equipment to drive on the street. If you need shims, I might have some when I finally get around to pulling off my single piston calipers and installing the 4 piston variety. Just can't find the time to paint the new ones.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II
I'm in for the Air Show thing again this year if it's on a Sunday like last year. As far as a pre-meet drive.... I'm saving my car for Deals Gap the next week!!! Of course I could take the Vert... hrmmm. Dunno... got alot to do that weekend.
Sorry Greg, they had to schedule it around the Blue Angels, it's on a Saturday. Now I know you probably can't make it...that sux!

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Anyone up for another attempt at a pre-meet drive. (minus the "Egyptian Curse" road)
I'm up for a pre-meet drive...as long as we stay away from, the "road that shall remain nameless"!

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Where did you get the housings and rotors you had at the last Drive-In? Were they from your old engine or a gift from God?
I got them from my buddy who owns the Lotus I spoke of, he is also a Master Rotary Tech for Mazda. He had some 12A rotors and rotor housings...I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving up another set to me.
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by darktritium
My compression tester was dropped and I don't think it's giving good readings. I believe this because I've tested another RX-7 that was running a HELL of a lot better than mine, but it's compression was reading the same as mine.
It's cool, Josh said he has one too, and that'll save you from having to come down here, haha. I wouldn't want to come to Fayettenam either. Oh, and I'm not all too crazy about the time change, it will be harder to read when I'm calling you out about post-whoring, haha.

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Sounds like speedjunkie may have one, but seriously hopefully it turns out to be something easy to fix.
No I meant I have another one just sitting there. This one is out of a GSL-SE, along with two sets up wheels with race tires for a GSL-SE. You wouldn't believe how many parts I have just sitting around now, haha.

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Eric and Josh might appreciate seeing how a rotary engine should work.
Wow, I can still feel the red handprint on my face, haha. You know, I haven't defiled my engine bay *yet* HAHAHA. Just thought I'd tease you a little.

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Eric, thanks for the offer and I could come get it after we get back from DGRR. Do I need any special tools to strip it down to the housings? I got ziploc bags so could keep and label all the parts.
No problem. Yeah after DGRR would be fine. I can strip it down here, don't worry about that. Just let me know what you want to do. Or you can help me with it if you want too. We can make a day of it.

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I got them from my buddy who owns the Lotus I spoke of, he is also a Master Rotary Tech for Mazda. He had some 12A rotors and rotor housings...I'm sure he wouldn't mind giving up another set to me.
Damn, I didn't even think to describe my problem to him. Did you guys watch Borat again yet? LOL VERY NICE!!!
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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Hey Eric, is this the PFC thingy?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-A...98967738QQrdZ1
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:53 PM
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This is my next car...I'm not even kidding...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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Yeah looks like I'll miss it Nic... Oh well. I have this to remind me of last year.




Eric, that guys has another add showing 9 of them in stock.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 10:05 PM
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Yep, that be it. Although, I think that one is for a different series of FD and therefore wouldn't work on mine. I did a search for them the other night and didn't come up with anything. I'll have to check into this though, thanks Greg!

EDIT: This is the one for me...

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-APEXi-POWER-...QQcmdZViewItem

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-A...99701513QQrdZ1
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^What the hell?! That's the same kind I posted up and yours is cheaper and there are more. What is this guy trying to do? Mine only says there's two available, yours says nine. Yours is cheaper too. Oh well.
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I wonder if I should run another can of Seafoam through the engine...any ideas from the peanut gallery?

Oh yeah, it ran a little better tonight but still bad. And I keep forgetting to mention, I see more smoke coming from the turbo side of the engine bay, haha.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Have you tried starting it again today/night?
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
This is my next car...I'm not even kidding...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

you and me both. you and me both.


Does anyone else find it frustratingly appropriate that RX7club.com is unreliable, sometimes it will load, sometimes it wont? One second its fast, the next second its barely moving and you dont know why? I mean, if this were civic.com, or camry.com it would be hypocritical, but RX7club.com its appropriate...


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This is my next car...I'm not even kidding...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
Hell's yeah!!! Can you say group buy anyone? I'll even trade in the SRT if you can make it street legal in the US and throw in a helmet
Old Apr 3, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by anewconvert
you and me both. you and me both.


Does anyone else find it frustratingly appropriate that RX7club.com is unreliable, sometimes it will load, sometimes it wont? One second its fast, the next second its barely moving and you dont know why? I mean, if this were civic.com, or camry.com it would be hypocritical, but RX7club.com its appropriate...


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Yeah, tell me about it. I'm thinking of whipping out the nailbat on Web 2.0.
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Hell's yeah!!! Can you say group buy anyone? I'll even trade in the SRT if you can make it street legal in the US and throw in a helmet

it is street legal in the us. You just have to register the thing


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^+1, they already sell them in the U.S. I was looking online last night and found a few used ones already. Be prepared to get rid of your appendages though...most of them were still ~$70K, USED. I've seen it before that you can get a base model (not supercharged I assume) for around $35K, and the best model for $70K (I didn't know a freakin supercharger costs $35K ), so I assume all of them are the better model. It makes me want to build my own to be quite honest with you. And of course I thought about using a rotary instead of the B20 but I think the Honda engines might be designed better for it already, meaning how it's mounted there would be less work involved in making it applicable. It would always be possible to use the rotary if enough work were involved, I'm sure there's some way to do it, but seeing the affects of the supercharged B20, you'd probably kill yourself with a supercharged rotary, haha. (I wouldn't go turbo for this myself, I think supercharged is a much better route in this case)

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Have you tried starting it again today/night?
Yeah after swapping out the plugs it starts right up, but once it dies out or you shut it off, it won't start again, like it's flooded all over again that quickly.

I just noticed something else about this forum...I had noticed some bad grammar and when I went to edit it a minute ago, it was correct. Interesting. Also, sometimes when I capitalize all the letters in a word or sentence, sometimes they won't be capitalized when it's posted, but if you go back and change it they do sometimes. This thing is freaky!

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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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eric, i was thinking we could pull your motor, get a bunch of industrial rubber bands, hook one end to the tranny, the other to a crank on the front of your car. then wind it up every time you need to drive. huh? huh?

no....

okay...

just a thought...



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