Florida Passes Car Confiscation Legislation
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Personaly im glad there doing this. I think drag racing is stupid. Anyone can shift gears what kinda talent does that take? The one with the bigger engine more HP/Torque is going to win 95% of the time. Drag racing proves nothing. I dont think they should take your car though. It IS your car YOUR money did go to it. What i think they should do is just take your liscense and your tag away. You have a right to own a car you dont have a right to drive it. Hopefully this will cut down on those god awful cars that sound like a swarm or masquitos or a giant fart when they drive by.
I do think though they should put up a track in every county. Some people do need this as a outlet and they should have a legal way to let it out. Street races arnt the major cause of accidents. Its slow people pulling in the fast lane cutting the other cars off. Or the Old person that has no business on the road at all or the drunken drivers and the cell phones that cause most the accidents.
Speed doesnt kill stupidity and baddrivers do.
I do think though they should put up a track in every county. Some people do need this as a outlet and they should have a legal way to let it out. Street races arnt the major cause of accidents. Its slow people pulling in the fast lane cutting the other cars off. Or the Old person that has no business on the road at all or the drunken drivers and the cell phones that cause most the accidents.
Speed doesnt kill stupidity and baddrivers do.
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From: Wayne, NJ 07470
You will never be able to stop this law as long as you argue whether street racing is good or bad.
That's not the point.
Asset forfeiture laws are wrong whether it's for drag racing, drug dealing, prostitution, or drunk driving.
Fine them, put them in jail, take away their license, whack their pee-pee, whatever, just don't take away their property.
The problem is that under the present laws, there is almost no way you can get your stuff back even if you are found not guilty. When they fine you, they have to prove you are guilty. When they take your stuff, you have to prove you are not guilty. There's a BIG difference.
These things tend to creep into your lives. First they take away the drug dealer's house, car, and bank account, then they take away the drug buyer's car, then the "john's" car for prostitution, then they take your car for any infraction that happens anywhere close to your car.
The cops love auctioning off your stuff and putting the money in their own pockets (sure it doesn't go directly in their pockets but eventually that's where it ends up). Even the judges get a cut of the money. Take a look at the big battles between the local and federal law enforcement agencies over who gets the money (it's a lot of money).
Even in states where they specified that the money should go into the school budget there is always a big fight to get the law enforcement agencies to actually give up the money.
I don't care what the infraction is, it's wrong to confiscate your stuff. It leads directly to corruption. (speeding ticket fines are already corruption enough)
ed
That's not the point.
Asset forfeiture laws are wrong whether it's for drag racing, drug dealing, prostitution, or drunk driving.
Fine them, put them in jail, take away their license, whack their pee-pee, whatever, just don't take away their property.
The problem is that under the present laws, there is almost no way you can get your stuff back even if you are found not guilty. When they fine you, they have to prove you are guilty. When they take your stuff, you have to prove you are not guilty. There's a BIG difference.
These things tend to creep into your lives. First they take away the drug dealer's house, car, and bank account, then they take away the drug buyer's car, then the "john's" car for prostitution, then they take your car for any infraction that happens anywhere close to your car.
The cops love auctioning off your stuff and putting the money in their own pockets (sure it doesn't go directly in their pockets but eventually that's where it ends up). Even the judges get a cut of the money. Take a look at the big battles between the local and federal law enforcement agencies over who gets the money (it's a lot of money).
Even in states where they specified that the money should go into the school budget there is always a big fight to get the law enforcement agencies to actually give up the money.
I don't care what the infraction is, it's wrong to confiscate your stuff. It leads directly to corruption. (speeding ticket fines are already corruption enough)
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From: Jefferson City, Tn
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
I failed to see the rationale in your thinking Tweak... You are so concerned about the cost of tracking your car, price of tires,, gas, food ? Well, all you really have to do is simply get a real job instead of spending all your money and wasting time playing video games at some internet cafe. Perhaps that way you could get your ride on the asphalt once again keeping the tire on the ground.
This is the time of the Ultimate Road Warrior like Mad Max in the early movies when the war that was fought was over gasoline.
If the gas is such a problem for you then haul your RX7 when you get it running on a trailer. People spend enough money to get their cars to either look or perform to high performance capacity then they can as easily make it to the track ... and stop kissing their sister.
Someone above talked about the immature kids ... and i believe the keyword is kids.. There is more to life than just staring at some screen watching little green men kill off each other...There are other ways to putting that time to good use and something a lot more productive as investing in your future.... I have to fight off the Wannabe Mario Andrettis that just manage to cut other people off on the road because its all about the noise ... didnt you know that noise doesnt necessarily make the car go faster .. so the more they can race on public streets the greater the notariety... i think getting a couple of trophies will probably get you more recognized.
This is the time of the Ultimate Road Warrior like Mad Max in the early movies when the war that was fought was over gasoline.
If the gas is such a problem for you then haul your RX7 when you get it running on a trailer. People spend enough money to get their cars to either look or perform to high performance capacity then they can as easily make it to the track ... and stop kissing their sister.
Someone above talked about the immature kids ... and i believe the keyword is kids.. There is more to life than just staring at some screen watching little green men kill off each other...There are other ways to putting that time to good use and something a lot more productive as investing in your future.... I have to fight off the Wannabe Mario Andrettis that just manage to cut other people off on the road because its all about the noise ... didnt you know that noise doesnt necessarily make the car go faster .. so the more they can race on public streets the greater the notariety... i think getting a couple of trophies will probably get you more recognized.
ROFL i personally think if i feel like spending my money on someone cleaning my *** that would be my problem wouldnt it??? any what it cost me to spend my time at an internet cafe is barely anything maybe the $50 i get from working on a car might cover a weeks worth of it? IONO but i enjoy have my car my way i think if i wanna keep it off the road for 4 years thats my problem but when it comes back on the road you better get ready for one bitchin FC =/
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Hey, where did my $$$ go?
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From: Bimingham, AL
Actually the biggest problem with racing at the track is you CANT TAKE A FAST STREET CAR ON THE TRACK. For me to meet tech requirements at a nhra guidline track (98% of the tracks out there) I would need helmet, fire suit, fire ext within reach but bolted to the frame, 6pt cage, ingition kill switch mounted on the OUTSIDE of the car, clutch scatter shield, drive shaft loop, many many other things I just cant think of at the moment. This would all have to be on my daily driver that yes I occasionally have spontanious street races with. Mostly late nigh hightway races. This is the MAIN reason that people dont run thier cars at the track....they CANT.
As for the guy that said there is no skill involved in drag racing...its obvious you havent been drag racing and tried to cut a 1.5 60 foot time. Drag racing does NOT come down to has the most power, it comes down to about 60% driver and 40% hp to weight ratio. I've seen a LOT of cars have the power to run 10's and only run 12's. Now racing form a kick (like hwy racing) is a different story...that is really a competition between cars.
Stephen
As for the guy that said there is no skill involved in drag racing...its obvious you havent been drag racing and tried to cut a 1.5 60 foot time. Drag racing does NOT come down to has the most power, it comes down to about 60% driver and 40% hp to weight ratio. I've seen a LOT of cars have the power to run 10's and only run 12's. Now racing form a kick (like hwy racing) is a different story...that is really a competition between cars.
Stephen
I am not going to say I dont street race, becuase from time to time I do. However, taking property w/o a trial is unconsitutional, end of story. This is something that will hopefuly get shot down in the courts. The fines and the term of the license suspension are excessive, however, I do agree you have to be willing to pay if you are willing to play.
I take my car to the race track on a semi regular basis and also to AutoX events. It is very exspensive to do regularly. I race my motorcycle in WERA and it costs roughly $1000.00 a weekend to race it. That is out of hand if you ask me. Track days are cheaper but still end up eating up about $800.00 a weeekend. (120-180/day, 350 in tires, 50 in gas, 110 in brake pads, food, lodging, etc. etc.). My whole race setup (bike + prepping, trailer, power gen, tire warmers, EZ-Ups, etc. etc.) cost me in excess of $20K.
So, I find it a bit offensive to say that people should take it to the track. The track it out of range for most people with normal incomes. I have not raced this season in WERA yet due to cost. I have done several track days but just can't afford to blow the $$$ racing. Prepping a car to run in IT or something like that and running a season is easily 2X the cost of bike racing.
I am not sure what the best solution is. We could be like Mexico and Europe and close off streets for rallies every so often. Or like Germany and have super cheap track days due to the near impossiblity to bring a civil liablity case to trial. Or like in Japan if you are caught street racing they usually just ask you to leave.
I would love to the statistical analysis of the actual measureable "harm" that is caused by street racing. I doubt such information exsists. This law seems like a political knee jerk reaction to a very small # of deaths/injuries that have occured due to street racing.
Also, to the guy that said street racing is morally wrong. It would behouve you to take a philosophy class in college if you ever get the chance. Or read some of the great works by Neische, Kant, Descartes, Locke, etc on the subject. There are no moral absolutes. Morality is subjective by its very nature. Moral relativisim is one of the hardest topics when dealing with international politics due to what is "morally wrong" to a Jeduo/Christian Westerner is "morally right" to an Hindu or visa versa.
Ergo, to Digital Synthesis street racing may be morally right and to you it may be wrong yet you can both be correct in your subjective analysis if you present it as your opinion and not fact.
Many laws are made on the premis of promoting the greater good. This by the way is the cornerstone of Marxism. You could argue that stopping street racing is for the greater good of society ergo it should be stopped. However, Hitler said that killing the Jew's was for the greater good of the German people and was therefore good. Obviously, this thinking was flawed. Most greater good at the exspence of the individual arguments are flawed (though not as reprehensibly as Hitler's).
Personally, I believe that IF you are street racing AND you cause MEASURABLE HARM, i.e. and accident, THEN you should be culpable for that action. Oddly enought we already have laws for that. They are often reffered to as "tort law" or common law. I dont believe that someone should be punished le for a action that has no victim.
Sorry for the long and boring post.
I take my car to the race track on a semi regular basis and also to AutoX events. It is very exspensive to do regularly. I race my motorcycle in WERA and it costs roughly $1000.00 a weekend to race it. That is out of hand if you ask me. Track days are cheaper but still end up eating up about $800.00 a weeekend. (120-180/day, 350 in tires, 50 in gas, 110 in brake pads, food, lodging, etc. etc.). My whole race setup (bike + prepping, trailer, power gen, tire warmers, EZ-Ups, etc. etc.) cost me in excess of $20K.
So, I find it a bit offensive to say that people should take it to the track. The track it out of range for most people with normal incomes. I have not raced this season in WERA yet due to cost. I have done several track days but just can't afford to blow the $$$ racing. Prepping a car to run in IT or something like that and running a season is easily 2X the cost of bike racing.
I am not sure what the best solution is. We could be like Mexico and Europe and close off streets for rallies every so often. Or like Germany and have super cheap track days due to the near impossiblity to bring a civil liablity case to trial. Or like in Japan if you are caught street racing they usually just ask you to leave.
I would love to the statistical analysis of the actual measureable "harm" that is caused by street racing. I doubt such information exsists. This law seems like a political knee jerk reaction to a very small # of deaths/injuries that have occured due to street racing.
Also, to the guy that said street racing is morally wrong. It would behouve you to take a philosophy class in college if you ever get the chance. Or read some of the great works by Neische, Kant, Descartes, Locke, etc on the subject. There are no moral absolutes. Morality is subjective by its very nature. Moral relativisim is one of the hardest topics when dealing with international politics due to what is "morally wrong" to a Jeduo/Christian Westerner is "morally right" to an Hindu or visa versa.
Ergo, to Digital Synthesis street racing may be morally right and to you it may be wrong yet you can both be correct in your subjective analysis if you present it as your opinion and not fact.
Many laws are made on the premis of promoting the greater good. This by the way is the cornerstone of Marxism. You could argue that stopping street racing is for the greater good of society ergo it should be stopped. However, Hitler said that killing the Jew's was for the greater good of the German people and was therefore good. Obviously, this thinking was flawed. Most greater good at the exspence of the individual arguments are flawed (though not as reprehensibly as Hitler's).
Personally, I believe that IF you are street racing AND you cause MEASURABLE HARM, i.e. and accident, THEN you should be culpable for that action. Oddly enought we already have laws for that. They are often reffered to as "tort law" or common law. I dont believe that someone should be punished le for a action that has no victim.
Sorry for the long and boring post.
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From: Pembroke Pines, FL
This is just another BS law!! There are laws already out there for illegal street racing or drag racing. If these freaking politicians are so concerned about saving innocent lives , why do they not simply ban smoking. Many many more lives are lost week after week from smoking.
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Let's get some **** straight here. Let's look directly into the statute:
Don't want tolet slow *** granny jump in your lane and slow you down? Street racing.
Did the guy you were LEGALLY passing gun his throttle to prevent you from passing? You were street racing him.
You will now lose your car.
A second car is required to be given a street racing ticket, however, they don't need to catch that second guy. If the second guy just happens to "get away" , you are still screwed.
Street racing may be illegal, but so is this crappy new law. It assumes guilt, and puts way too much room for interpretation in the hands fo a law enfrocement officer, effectively making him judge, jury, and executioner. He has the ability to to capture the offender and deal out a punishment of denial of access to the offender.
This is just wrong.
(c) "Racing" means the use of one or more motor vehicles in an attempt to outgain or, outdistance another motor vehicle, to or prevent another motor vehicle from passing, to arrive at a given destination ahead of another motor vehicle or motor vehicles, or to test the physical stamina or endurance of drivers over long-distance driving routes.
Did the guy you were LEGALLY passing gun his throttle to prevent you from passing? You were street racing him.
You will now lose your car.
A second car is required to be given a street racing ticket, however, they don't need to catch that second guy. If the second guy just happens to "get away" , you are still screwed.
Street racing may be illegal, but so is this crappy new law. It assumes guilt, and puts way too much room for interpretation in the hands fo a law enfrocement officer, effectively making him judge, jury, and executioner. He has the ability to to capture the offender and deal out a punishment of denial of access to the offender.
This is just wrong.
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To me, the biggest problem in street racing is the ghetto screwballs who like to get together to go street racing, and then go and start beating other people up, and threatening other people. Kinda like what happened at Streets Finest.
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