Beware of bad tuning in Rotarywerks south florida shop
08-24-15, 01:23 PM
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Beware of bad tuning in Rotarywerks south florida shop
Two weeks ago i took my rx7 to who i thought was one of the best/most trustful rotary shop in florida and with my experience it was not the case, the shops name is Rotarywerks. I had the car there the whole day we did have some trouble while he was "supposedly" was tuning and we did fix them. After taking the car home i took it for a ride and it ran like **** i decided to check out the maps on the ecu ill post pics so you can see for your self. Im not an expert at tuning but just at first glance looking at the tables i knew there was no way the tune was done thoughtfully/correctly tuned by the tuner at rotarywerks! It was a matter of time before my engine exploded and i would have been stuck with him saying that i built the engine wrong! I spent alot of money on my current set up using everything new on the engine/bolt ons and was expecting around 450hp witch is around what everyone is making with similer set ups. My car with his tune didnt even reach 400hp. Thank god i didnt push it and decides to check why it was running like ****. I did contact rotarywerks after i saw the horribly tuned ecu and he says and continues to say that its tuned correclty and only some parts need to be fixed! Yea right it needs a complete retune. I asked for my money back and he didnt want to give to me at first but then gave me a rufund. So im posting this i feel like people should know what is going on at rotarywerk and beware!
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08-24-15, 06:41 PM
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ill share the story
from my side .
Car came in without the upper intake , which he wired up and installed the injectors with my supply and tools . (did not mind at all im always on the help side )
car did not want to go over 4k rpm it felt like one of the sec injectors was having a problem but after a couple of pulls the car shut off and fuel was coming out from the intake. what happened was Daua installed the injector close to the intake and rubbed on the insulation and grounded making the injector open all the time .
i told him what to do he fixed the issue . but non of that matters those are things that happen . now to the tuning after that we started tuning i got the afrs where i wanted them car was reving up clean ended up with 360 hp. 17-18 psi did not hold boost properly uptop.
here is a picture of the last pull .
after removing car from dyno i told him to drive it and see if it feels anything wrong . he says when you come off and on throttle there is a delay . i did the changes he tested i ask him again . how does it feel ? he says good it feels good i havent drifted in such a long time! it felt good . then i said no problem perfect then any question just give me a call ok . no problem
saturday i left for one week and he contacted me saying he was thinking in a different turbo ect . i told him we talk when i get back . saturday he send me a message on fb asking if thats what i call a tune . i said whats the issue ? to call me . i toldhim if the car left running correctly the tune wnt change later.
what he described to me is that the car was running like crap after he got home same day or days later im not sure . i told him come back no problem but he was 100% on his money back . since hes been a good customer and i know something else is going on then i didnt mind giving him his money back . he also said i will tell everyone you dnt know how to tune if you dnt give me my money back . i gave him the money back but not so he wnt post it . i never told him not to post anything .
i told him check your voltage remember you said the alternator was wabbly and spark was coming from alternator .(my fault i shouldve stopped the tuning )
maybe something electrical went wrong ? battery kept dying .
well this is all i have to say . i got nothing bad to say about Daua (owner of car) I was open to fix the issue if it was tuning but he didnt want my help. Even if it wasnt tuning i was open to help like always
once again car left running nice and clean
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this was already allover Facebook
from my side .
Car came in without the upper intake , which he wired up and installed the injectors with my supply and tools . (did not mind at all im always on the help side )
car did not want to go over 4k rpm it felt like one of the sec injectors was having a problem but after a couple of pulls the car shut off and fuel was coming out from the intake. what happened was Daua installed the injector close to the intake and rubbed on the insulation and grounded making the injector open all the time .
i told him what to do he fixed the issue . but non of that matters those are things that happen . now to the tuning after that we started tuning i got the afrs where i wanted them car was reving up clean ended up with 360 hp. 17-18 psi did not hold boost properly uptop.
here is a picture of the last pull .
after removing car from dyno i told him to drive it and see if it feels anything wrong . he says when you come off and on throttle there is a delay . i did the changes he tested i ask him again . how does it feel ? he says good it feels good i havent drifted in such a long time! it felt good . then i said no problem perfect then any question just give me a call ok . no problem
saturday i left for one week and he contacted me saying he was thinking in a different turbo ect . i told him we talk when i get back . saturday he send me a message on fb asking if thats what i call a tune . i said whats the issue ? to call me . i toldhim if the car left running correctly the tune wnt change later.
what he described to me is that the car was running like crap after he got home same day or days later im not sure . i told him come back no problem but he was 100% on his money back . since hes been a good customer and i know something else is going on then i didnt mind giving him his money back . he also said i will tell everyone you dnt know how to tune if you dnt give me my money back . i gave him the money back but not so he wnt post it . i never told him not to post anything .
i told him check your voltage remember you said the alternator was wabbly and spark was coming from alternator .(my fault i shouldve stopped the tuning )
maybe something electrical went wrong ? battery kept dying .
well this is all i have to say . i got nothing bad to say about Daua (owner of car) I was open to fix the issue if it was tuning but he didnt want my help. Even if it wasnt tuning i was open to help like always
once again car left running nice and clean
Rotary Werks
this was already allover Facebook
08-25-15, 12:39 AM
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no offense and im not an adaptronic expert but that map looks like crap.
maybe im missing corrections on another table but that's not how i tune anyways. you have areas that go from 76ms to 100 to 85 and that's not even to the really critical area yet(which we can't see).
most proper fuelling maps look like a flat ski slope, sometimes with a ridge for injector staging depending on how that ECU determines it. perhaps all your tuning was done in high boost because those areas seem a little more stable than the mid range boost tables. but guess what? not everyone drives there car only at 100% throttle, many 'tuners' ignore that.
but again, not an adaptronic tuner so i can only speculate. i mean the maps don't make sense in other aspects either since the resolution scaling is fucked. 400kPa is roughly 60psi of boost....where is the vacuum ranges? the timing table is just...
is this a WOT map? i can't even tell if it's right side up or inverted, is that bad? peak timing of 20BTDC? 
looks like a 4BAR 1/4 mile map, a very poor one. all i can do is scratch my head while looking at those 2 pictures, trying to make sense of the scaling. i can already see the lack of care to the drivability areas if anything, that is if it's merely a incorrect MAP sensor scale issue and the units are just inaccurate but it is using the majority of those maps.
maybe im missing corrections on another table but that's not how i tune anyways. you have areas that go from 76ms to 100 to 85 and that's not even to the really critical area yet(which we can't see).
most proper fuelling maps look like a flat ski slope, sometimes with a ridge for injector staging depending on how that ECU determines it. perhaps all your tuning was done in high boost because those areas seem a little more stable than the mid range boost tables. but guess what? not everyone drives there car only at 100% throttle, many 'tuners' ignore that.
but again, not an adaptronic tuner so i can only speculate. i mean the maps don't make sense in other aspects either since the resolution scaling is fucked. 400kPa is roughly 60psi of boost....where is the vacuum ranges? the timing table is just...
is this a WOT map? i can't even tell if it's right side up or inverted, is that bad? peak timing of 20BTDC? looks like a 4BAR 1/4 mile map, a very poor one. all i can do is scratch my head while looking at those 2 pictures, trying to make sense of the scaling. i can already see the lack of care to the drivability areas if anything, that is if it's merely a incorrect MAP sensor scale issue and the units are just inaccurate but it is using the majority of those maps.
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08-25-15, 08:24 PM
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To me it seems that there is ALOT of missing info.
I don't think the owner is being forth coming with all the truths..
1) why would you leave a tuning shop if you weren't happy with the tune?
2) how does a tune go bad 2 weeks later
3) how does anyone know these maps are NOT prior to the tune ? what makes him trust worthy after 26 post ?
4) why do you show up for tuning with your car still apart ?
5) why didn't he tune it himself if he knows so MUCH about maps ?
6) Did he use quality parts for his build or Chinese eBay parts ?
Also, just because you buy every part other people have bought doesn't mean your car is going to make the same HP.. This cookie cutter train of thought is just BULLSHIT... every car is different and there are to many variables that dictate what power your car will make... why the owner ASSumes his car can make 450HP just because he copied someones setup is just plain asinine..
Lets ask HOW he drove the car after the tune.... He is a "drifter" so that would lead me to believe he dogs the **** out of his car....high revs for long periods of time...Can't be good for a car with "woobly" alternator or "electrical" issues...
Now to the tuner...
My sons FD was tuned at Rotarywerks. We had fuel issues and Eric took the time to help resolve them. We also had temp issues due to a faulty sensor, Eric helped resolve that as well. Then we tuned the car up to 12PSI and stopped because the clutch started slipping. Eric took the time to keep the tune low so that my son could keep driving his FD. He only charged us half and said to return for final tuning once I replace the clutch... keep in mind that ALL he charged me for was the tune, at NO time did he ask for extra money because he got his hands dirty or because he had to help solve issue we ALL know can happen during tuning. Eric went out of his way to help and make sure we were satisfied BEFORE we left his shop.... here we are 2 months later and my sons FD still runs as good as the day we left.. NO issues even while being on E85 with a car that sits 90% of the time...
Personally I think it was a BIG DICK move that this guy threatened him about posting UNLESS he got a refund, BUT he still did even after he got his money.... Some people are amazingly low class..
I don't think the owner is being forth coming with all the truths..
1) why would you leave a tuning shop if you weren't happy with the tune?
2) how does a tune go bad 2 weeks later
3) how does anyone know these maps are NOT prior to the tune ? what makes him trust worthy after 26 post ?
4) why do you show up for tuning with your car still apart ?
5) why didn't he tune it himself if he knows so MUCH about maps ?
6) Did he use quality parts for his build or Chinese eBay parts ?
Also, just because you buy every part other people have bought doesn't mean your car is going to make the same HP.. This cookie cutter train of thought is just BULLSHIT... every car is different and there are to many variables that dictate what power your car will make... why the owner ASSumes his car can make 450HP just because he copied someones setup is just plain asinine..
Lets ask HOW he drove the car after the tune.... He is a "drifter" so that would lead me to believe he dogs the **** out of his car....high revs for long periods of time...Can't be good for a car with "woobly" alternator or "electrical" issues...
Now to the tuner...
My sons FD was tuned at Rotarywerks. We had fuel issues and Eric took the time to help resolve them. We also had temp issues due to a faulty sensor, Eric helped resolve that as well. Then we tuned the car up to 12PSI and stopped because the clutch started slipping. Eric took the time to keep the tune low so that my son could keep driving his FD. He only charged us half and said to return for final tuning once I replace the clutch... keep in mind that ALL he charged me for was the tune, at NO time did he ask for extra money because he got his hands dirty or because he had to help solve issue we ALL know can happen during tuning. Eric went out of his way to help and make sure we were satisfied BEFORE we left his shop.... here we are 2 months later and my sons FD still runs as good as the day we left.. NO issues even while being on E85 with a car that sits 90% of the time...
Personally I think it was a BIG DICK move that this guy threatened him about posting UNLESS he got a refund, BUT he still did even after he got his money.... Some people are amazingly low class..
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08-25-15, 08:41 PM
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When i test drove the car after the tune it had just stopped raining and the car would just spin. It ran like **** and i couldnt even clutch kick it, it would try to die. I came back to him he fixed it kinda still had a bog but it let kick out in the wet. The car is a drift car so it got trailered home a week later i go to drive it on normal conditions and the car completely runs like ****. So i start checking everything to maybe find the problem and nothing... So i decieded to check the maps. I check and guess what they looked like that. So to be sure im not posting this to look like a fool i asked multiple tuner and specilist on tuning and all gave the same answer the car was not tuned correctly. I signed up on a online learn to tune course and the instructors said that fuel maps looking like that were why they started the course in the first place.
And ok even if there was an issue with the car wouldnt a experinced tuner be able to tell theres a problem and stop tuning to fix the problem or tell me to come back when it fixed?
Thats not the case. Im currently learning how to tune and just with my base map i made for practice the car starts and drives with out hiting boost 100% better.
And ok even if there was an issue with the car wouldnt a experinced tuner be able to tell theres a problem and stop tuning to fix the problem or tell me to come back when it fixed?
Thats not the case. Im currently learning how to tune and just with my base map i made for practice the car starts and drives with out hiting boost 100% better.
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08-25-15, 08:59 PM
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Oh and to answer the question why the car went to get tuned while it was taken apart is because i had asked if i could put the injectors in at his shop because i bought new injectors from him.
I will take the falt for instaling it side ways and it did ground out that was my fault. But the reason he is saying the car would not past 4k is because "i bought new injectors from him and while he started the tune he forgot to change the injector size". He then remembered after we stop to check why it would not rev and told me. So he fixed it and coninued to do what i guess he calls tuning.
I will take the falt for instaling it side ways and it did ground out that was my fault. But the reason he is saying the car would not past 4k is because "i bought new injectors from him and while he started the tune he forgot to change the injector size". He then remembered after we stop to check why it would not rev and told me. So he fixed it and coninued to do what i guess he calls tuning.
08-25-15, 09:07 PM
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In my experience a fuel map that does not look flat indicates mechanical issues with the fuel delivery.
For example if one uses older bosch 1600cc injectors( AKA 1680cc) the map will go up and down. Bad fuel pressure regulators do the same thing. Even a car with no SS hose( all hardlines) will look very awkward.
For example if one uses older bosch 1600cc injectors( AKA 1680cc) the map will go up and down. Bad fuel pressure regulators do the same thing. Even a car with no SS hose( all hardlines) will look very awkward.
08-25-15, 09:37 PM
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Really Sucks to see this. Not sure I like the approach of the poster. Tuner offered to fix and returned your money which was only 250 for a tune and you still bash him all over the internet? What else could the guy have done? You were set on giving him neg press.
It could be that the tune isn't the best for drivability, but your way of handling it was low class and with that I don't trust your story.
It could be that the tune isn't the best for drivability, but your way of handling it was low class and with that I don't trust your story.
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08-25-15, 09:51 PM
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i can understand some corrections for fuel pressure versus RPMs but that fuel map is kinda all over the place. the timing map could also use a lot of help even for a drift car.
if it looked like the tuner spent the proper amount of time on the maps i wouldn't pick them apart... but nope, i'm not seeing it.
if i saw those maps after finding out my engine was damaged i think i'd be a little upset too.
if it looked like the tuner spent the proper amount of time on the maps i wouldn't pick them apart... but nope, i'm not seeing it.
if i saw those maps after finding out my engine was damaged i think i'd be a little upset too.
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08-25-15, 09:58 PM
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Really Sucks to see this. Not sure I like the approach of the poster. Tuner offered to fix and returned your money which was only 250 for a tune and you still bash him all over the internet? What else could the guy have done? You were set on giving him neg press.
It could be that the tune isn't the best for drivability, but your way of handling it was low class and with that I don't trust your story.
It could be that the tune isn't the best for drivability, but your way of handling it was low class and with that I don't trust your story.
08-26-15, 08:50 AM
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i can understand some corrections for fuel pressure versus RPMs but that fuel map is kinda all over the place. the timing map could also use a lot of help even for a drift car.
if it looked like the tuner spent the proper amount of time on the maps i wouldn't pick them apart... but nope, i'm not seeing it.
if i saw those maps after finding out my engine was damaged i think i'd be a little upset too.
if it looked like the tuner spent the proper amount of time on the maps i wouldn't pick them apart... but nope, i'm not seeing it.
if i saw those maps after finding out my engine was damaged i think i'd be a little upset too.
the engine didn't blow up read (left running fine i said if you feel anything wrong let me know )
what ive seen is that you always have something negative to say about everyone that is not working with you .
i suggest you **** off .
08-26-15, 08:55 AM
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i have something negative to say when i see shotty workmanship, killing the foundation of what was the heart of this community. now all i see is salesman with some decent work here and there.
call it constructive criticism, you can take it for what it's worth.
call it constructive criticism, you can take it for what it's worth.
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08-26-15, 09:20 AM
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yea i understand you should also add
*attitude
*Time frame to customers
*excuses
*mind your own business
any ways like i said before ive never had an issue with a customer specially when tuning
just shut the **** up
08-26-15, 11:32 AM
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You really still claim the car left fine? You say your running a pro shop and you cant even stop to see it theres a problem with the car and why you have to make the wrong correction to the map? I have showed these maps to multiple tuners and everyone of them scracth there head looking at those maps like yoir retarded. The tune was done like **** and you did not care what the outcome of it could have been! If my engine did blow it wouldnt be your fault right? Pretty sure you will say no and that theres more problems with the car. Ok so why couldnt you say that before you started tuning?
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I offered all the help . i dont understand why you keep saying the car didn't leave fine when it did leave fine . i was there all the time you left happy what it seems happy .
friday you called me for a turbo and a manifold because you wanted more power . i told you we talk when i get back from the trip you said cool have a good trip .
and once again your engine is fine and i gave you what you ask for the 250 for the tune.
yes you have your own opinion and accept that .
* your car came in to the shop with the intake removed . you claim the car was running fine before . well let me ask you . who tuned it before ? im sure i did tuned it about 2 times before this issue happened .
Im sorry for what you are going through . but im done and i wish you the best
you got your 250 back
have a great day .
friday you called me for a turbo and a manifold because you wanted more power . i told you we talk when i get back from the trip you said cool have a good trip .
and once again your engine is fine and i gave you what you ask for the 250 for the tune.
yes you have your own opinion and accept that .
* your car came in to the shop with the intake removed . you claim the car was running fine before . well let me ask you . who tuned it before ? im sure i did tuned it about 2 times before this issue happened .
Im sorry for what you are going through . but im done and i wish you the best
you got your 250 back
have a great day .
You really still claim the car left fine? You say your running a pro shop and you cant even stop to see it theres a problem with the car and why you have to make the wrong correction to the map? I have showed these maps to multiple tuners and everyone of them scracth there head looking at those maps like yoir retarded. The tune was done like **** and you did not care what the outcome of it could have been! If my engine did blow it wouldnt be your fault right? Pretty sure you will say no and that theres more problems with the car. Ok so why couldnt you say that before you started tuning?
08-26-15, 02:38 PM
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I offered all the help . i dont understand why you keep saying the car didn't leave fine when it did leave fine . i was there all the time you left happy what it seems happy .
friday you called me for a turbo and a manifold because you wanted more power . i told you we talk when i get back from the trip you said cool have a good trip .
and once again your engine is fine and i gave you what you ask for the 250 for the tune.
yes you have your own opinion and accept that .
* your car came in to the shop with the intake removed . you claim the car was running fine before . well let me ask you . who tuned it before ? im sure i did tuned it about 2 times before this issue happened .
Im sorry for what you are going through . but im done and i wish you the best
you got your 250 back
have a great day .
friday you called me for a turbo and a manifold because you wanted more power . i told you we talk when i get back from the trip you said cool have a good trip .
and once again your engine is fine and i gave you what you ask for the 250 for the tune.
yes you have your own opinion and accept that .
* your car came in to the shop with the intake removed . you claim the car was running fine before . well let me ask you . who tuned it before ? im sure i did tuned it about 2 times before this issue happened .
Im sorry for what you are going through . but im done and i wish you the best
you got your 250 back
have a great day .
I an currently learning and have tuned it ill post a pic if what my map looks like and explain to me why it run 109% better now then what it did after you tuned it.
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Im happy you got it running how you wanted
like i said i tried helping . no you said i know how to tune but previously said i didnt ok
i see whats wrong here
like i said i tried helping . no you said i know how to tune but previously said i didnt ok
i see whats wrong here
My engine is fine because i decided ti check it and didnt kepl driving it. I know you inow hiw to tune but come on man you really think those maps look good?
I an currently learning and have tuned it ill post a pic if what my map looks like and explain to me why it run 109% better now then what it did after you tuned it.
I an currently learning and have tuned it ill post a pic if what my map looks like and explain to me why it run 109% better now then what it did after you tuned it.