RotaryEvolution

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you can usually hear a change in the motor's sound when someone hits nos, i heard nothing but natural aspiration with the exception of some engine mods, that is not just a catback on the stang....

the seven owner needs to quit whining and at least rip out his exhaust, i couldn't even hear his **** which is probably the main reason why he lost, he must have been stock?

KompressorLOgic

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yeah no way that 5.0 was stock, i had a couple of 5.0 with just ehxuast who were scared to race me before. and my turbo II just had exhaust and fcon.

one of the guys was really dumb tho, hes like dang your car sounds beasty ( cracked TID so my idle was all lumpy) what u got done and im like just ehxaust and fcon, and hes lik eWHATS THAT BOOST GAUGE HUH?? stock my ***, and im like HELLO ITS A TURBO II lol

ForceFed

Well we raced from a 45 roll. If you're real good you can arm the nitrous the second you go WOT and therefore you won't hear an inherit change in exhaust note.
And yes, my car is stock which is why it was so quiet. I've only reiterated that about 5 times or so. Here's one of my timeslips from Moorseville 1/8th mile. This isn't my fastest time. I also have a 8.58 at 83.9mph as well, but the ink has faded to the point where the timeslip isn't readable. These runs were also in the middle of July in Charlotte on a 86 degree day with almost 75% humidity, on a stock cooling system too. On a little cooler day, or a day with a little less humidity it's likely I would have trapped 84-85mph in the 1/8th, which is good for probably 107mph+ traps. By the way, left lane on the timeslip is a 1995 Mustang SN95 5.0 with a catback and some kind of an intake mod. As you can tell from the slip, it wasn't even close


And here is the Private Message I got from the "stock" Mustang owner before we raced when I found out that his Mustang was on the gas (found his dyno sheet online which I posted several replies above). As you can probably tell from his PM, he was planning on spraying on me from the beginning

matty

All we have is an 1/8 time.

Forcefed, did you run the 1/4 with your car or are u merely extrapolating based of your 1/8 time? I noticed you brag alot about how faster your car runs in 1/4 completely stock...i hope you actually have some 1/4 time slips!

cloead

You lost to a 5.0 that runs a "confirmed 13.7" in the 1/4 mile. So how can you say that your car could run a 13.1? Because of an 1/8th mile time? Ok.... how about you take your car to a 1/4 mile track and stop bragging about **** you haven't done.

matty

exactly. Sad thing is he doesnt it all over the net too....ls1.com etc...

GreG36

can we like...delete this thread and quit the arguing?

the way i see it, ForceFed, you lost...dont whine next time and youll be fine.

everyone else, get off his ******* case. i guarantee that half the people that are sayin **** about his whine, would whine if they lost in this situation too. Ill be the first to admit, if i get sprayed on by some bullshitter like that, im going to be pissed to. but we are all RX7 owners and dont need to bash quite so hard. just drop it...you sound like a bunch of civic owners.

ForceFed

Yes, the car has made several passes at Lebanon Valley Speedway in Upstate NY (when I was still living there) and it ran consistent 13.5@105s. That was about 4 years ago so unfortunately I don't have the slips anymore but I remember the 1/8thmi times being around a 8.78-8.82 and around 80-81mph. Those passes were made with a confirmed vac leak due to a broken check valve and possibly even a bad vac hose here or there. The problem got worse and worse and I finally broke down and replaced the vac hoses after I moved to Charlotte. After replacing the vac hoses with silicone ones, the improvement in throttle response and acceleration was night and day different.

You guys need to stop looking at the Mustang's ET and look at his MPH when he was on the spray: 107mph. His best off the bottle was somewhere around 96-98mph I think. I've raced alot of 107-109mph cars in Charlotte to know it was obvious he sprayed on me

You can't possibly be this dumb.....or could you? If you depend solely on 1/4 ETs to measure how "fast" a car is, you're only looking at half the equation my friend.
Example:
Which do you think is going to be faster from a 45 roll? The Fox body mustang that runs a 13.9@97-98 or a RX-7 that runs a 13.9@104?
You need to learn how to interpret the numbers you are looking at...

Anyways, the car has a slight oil leak that needs to be taken care of before I go back to the track and get a 1/4mi slip. I'm not interested in dripping oil on a track and potentially endangering someone's life, possibly my own. When the oil leak gets fixed I will come right back to this thread and post the quartermile slip. Then, you can eat your words

Matty, I know you're not an avid drag racer so I won't hold this against you but....estimating 1/4 ET from 1/8th mile ET is something that die hard drag racers have been doing for years. Notice I said estimate. Yes, I am estimating that the car will run around a 13.0-13.1 in the quarter mile based on my experiences. In fact, theres even an equation you can do to help you estimate your 1/4mi time from an 1/8th mi time:
1/4 mile ET = (1/8 mile ET + 0.22) / 0.665 this equation taken from:
http://stangstable.com/stang1.htm which is from a primarily Mustang background. In my experiences with FI cars or for most high-revving, small displacement cars you can deduct another ~.1 off that time. It's not an exact science but it will get you within a tenth, sometimes a little less.

To help put this into perspective for you I will use my friend's Maxima as an example..
At the drag strip, he ran (on slicks) a 8.5 1/8th mi and he ran a 13.1@107mph. I've raced him from a 45 roll and put a little over a car on him so it's probably a safe bet that my RX-7 probably pulls a little harder on the back 1/8th than his Maxima. Do you see where this is going, or do you still need some help? I can bust out the construction paper and crayons if it still isn't clear enough for you...

matty

umm...sounds like i have made more passes than you at the strip...but no offense taken.
I dont care what "die hard" drag racers do. I personally would never provide a time for my car unless i ran it. For example...my car traps 118mph....do u see me quote my car as being a low-mid 11 sec car? no! cause i havent ran that time, YET.
I am not attacking you by any means but it seems you go around touting that u have one of the fastest stock rx7s around meanwhile, in my mind, the best REAL facts you can provide is a 13,5 1/4 time slip.

additionally, you really shouldnt be so condescending...especially after you embarrassed the **** out of yourself on that video!

cloead

Well, since you stated that it ran a 13.7 @ 107, not 13.9 @ 97.. I'm guessing that you would be slower.

ForceFed

Wow. You just confused yourself even more and even after I had made it abundantly clear that I was using those numbers as an example. In most cases, the car with the higher 1/4mi trap is usually going to win from in a highway roll-on race. That was the point that I was trying to illustrate to you. My car does not run 13.7 or a 13.9. Its best confirmed pass was a 13.5@105 and this was when it had boost issues. I point that out because the power I got back after I solved the boost issues was night and day different. I anticipate 13.0-13.1@ somewhere around 107 or greater.

Most lightly modified(minor modifications to the exhaust, intake, headers ONLY) Fox body Mustangs generally trap between 95-99mph on average. Some are slightly faster, some slower. The difference between a 99mph car and a 105mph+ car from a 45 roll is very significant. Probably to the tune of 4-5+ car lengths at somewhere around 110mph. If this were the case in the video, the outcome would have been obviously different. After the race, I asked the Mustang driver to put his "bottle" back in the trunk and race me. He refused. I insisted again. He refused again, because we both knew the outcome would have been exactly the same.

This isn't a pissing match by any means, but since we're on the topic of passes, I have probably just over 125 passes on asphalt alone between friend's cars, my Supra, both RX-7s, Viper and my old 8-second turbocharged snowmobile. In 1997 I was piloting a 11.80s@118-119mph 1JZ-GTE swapped MKIII Supra. What were you drag racing in 1997? Excuse me if I sound condescending towards you......it's because you chose to open your mouth when you probably shouldn't have.
Let me know if you need a hand achieving this......
Not attacking me? As opposed to the "attacking" you administer on LS1.com? Like the members of LS1.com, i'm not impressed with your charisma.

Fair enough Matty. After the oil leak is fixed I'll post up a timeslip of the car, including video. I'm always good on my word
In the future, I'll do my very best not to be so condescending

matty

i have my fair share of passes as well. you truly are one condoscending prik man. i have to be honest with you.
What i cant understand is how you dont feel humbled after having your actions video taped and publicized on this forum.

You bet its fair enough. Get a slip then talk ****! Thats the way its done!

can i make a guess? not sure how old u are right now but did you come from a well off family? did you have to work for your cars? Here i go running my mouth again!

ForceFed

Well thank you Matty. Coming from you, it means alot
Well lets see, the entire premise surrounding the race was started by him. Repeated personal attacks without warrant. Then he was the one who called me out. Then he drove from Raleigh NC to Charlotte (about 4 hours) with his entire crew (about 2-4 cars, LOL ) who all talked junk saying how I was going to get my bumper drug down the road and get it on video, but that didn't happen. Instead, he drove 4 hrs, sprayed a 100 shot of gas, ran door to door to nearly 150mph (when we finally shut down. Check and see if basic bolt on Foxbodies will even break 140mph LOL), he had one of HIS passengers ride in my RX-7 who prompted me into the things that were said in the video and instead of beating me, thats all he had for a video so of course out of spite of not beating me with his Fox on the gas, he had to post that up? I don't feel humbled. I feel sorry for him that he wasted nearly 8 hrs of driving, lied about his mods, wouldn't put his bottle back in and race me on the spray and drove home to find his dyno sheet of his Foxbody on the 100 shot posted on his home forum (which apparently was a big secret for him).
I don't feel humbled. I laugh myself whenever I see the video in the manner it was edited.

Pot, kettle, black
What, if anything, does that have to do with this thread? Or are you trying to skew the argument in a direction you think will be in your favor?? Shame on you matty. You always have such a hard time sticking to the topic at hand.

matty

1)i have slips...you dont! what are you talking about?

2)it has to do with the way you act which is exactly what this thread is about!

ForceFed

I have slips as well. Down here in the south there is only 2 full 1/4 mi tracks and they are 2+ hours away. 1/8mi tracks are everywhere down here and are more accesible, hence the 1/8th mi slips I have. I'm sorry you can't do a little simple correlation between 1/8th and 1/4mi slips...(must be that drag racer intuition inside giving you a tough time)
Excellent theory then. You saw a video edited by an opposing side and choose that as a tool in which to label me and my persona? So when voting season comes around and all these commercials pop up from opposing Democrat and Republic parties on their competition, does it make it that much harder for you to figure out who to vote for? Do you judge a book by it's cover? You see where this is going...

People who do know me and have seen the video laugh it all off because they know in real life that I'm not the idiot portrayed in the video. We can go round and round about this till the cows come home if you like

Mazda84GSLSE

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forcefed, you oughta think about not trying to defned yourself constantly. What you SHOULD be thinking about is donating such a precious car to someone who knows how to use it. 6 speeds aren't THAT hard, you jsut need some practice :-D

GoodfellaFD3S

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6 spd? You want him to go and drive a poopra

americansoldier

regardless of who won in the end, you still couldn't pay me to own an ugly turd of a car like that mustang.

Toadman

*cough* wanna bet?

Tyrael6666

Flames don't go through an all stock except for cat-back rustang. At least thats what i picked up, is that he lead on that he ONLY had a cat-back. And um anyone ever hear of a "sneaky-pete" nitrous kit? It hides very well anywhere you want it, hell that gay movie fast and the furious had one in it, it was in the damn seat. Did anyone pull up the seats and **** in that mustang to see what he may have really been concealing? Theres a lot he could have been hiding. And I'm not defending forcefed's whining, you lost, it happens. Everyone has lost, time to get over it. And to be honest, you guys need to stop bitching at him, because now look whos whining..... Everyone should drop it, and get back on topic, rx7s and a joint love for them which brings everyone to this forum. Flame me if you want I don't care.

ForceFed

Thanks for the support

And no, his car didn't have cats. He had true duals and if you look closely in the video, you can see that they end immediately after the resonators (which look like stock cats in the video), which is about halfway under the car.

BTW, if you play the video VERY loudly at the 13 second mark and listen VERY carefully, you can hear a nitrous purge

For me, the debate wasn't about who won, it was about everyone actually thinking that Mustang was stock and not on the spray, when all the evidence points otherwise, lol.

94BCKHAF

hey i got something to say , RUN WHAT U BRUNG, THE BULLSHIT STOPS WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT DROPS!!!!!!

94BCKHAF

hey forcefed i had a mid 11.second fc, built by my best friend joey gonzalez from japtrix here in lw, fl. and ill tell u even a mustang with stock boltons will go mid to high 12.s. i should know i work for ford and had about 6 of them, even a new 04 s/c cobra that made 470 rwh and 486 torque.

particleeffect

yeh, they can... but not with only a catback. which is what this thread is about.

Tyrael6666

Not to be an ***, but I was just at the track last night (huge event) I watched a good 10+ 5.0 mustangs foxbody, yah um...wtf are you talking about? Most of those barely got in the mid 13s, with more than simple bolt ons. Granted they arnt slow cars, but they arnt pulling anything like 12s with some simple crap, a lot of high end cars like Vipers are in the mid 12s, not 5.0 rustangs.