1QWIK7

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http://www60.tok2.com/home/sevendrea...020306_NSX.wmv

BoostFrenzy

that'll happen

Kento

Uh...the NSX in the vid is what is known as a "pace car" since it has lights on top of it (the vid was shot at Twin Ring Motegi in Japan). The FD driver is pulling over to let him by...

nopistons94

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL fuggin hillarious

hardbodeez

iTrader: (4)

Ya that's the pace car man. I don't maybe it's just me but, that FD looks like it handles like ****. Either that or the driver is all over the place.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

LOL idk, but from the looks of the vid, the FD was going WOT many times and couldnt catch up..if the nsx was a pace car, why are they going fast like they were racing..

but even though, still a cool vid, whoever won..

jic

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wtf...pretty sad...dont know whats up with the fd in the vid...

turbojeff

iTrader: (30)

Interesting the "pace car" seems to be faster than the FD since the FD almost goes off the track and squeals it's tires on many trying to keep up.

The FD sounds stock, you all remember the "woooshing" sound the stock exhaust puts out don't you?

Kento

Upon further examination, it appears to be a track day, and the FD is obviously running some street tires that don't provide a whole lot of traction, judging by the lack of midcorner grip and tire squeal. The NSX-- being the track pace car-- is surely running sticky tires and is most likely being piloted by a track expert.

1QWIK7

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lol so the question is, who won?

i saw the FD go WOT almost all the time and still cant lessen the distance between him and the nsx..

obviously whether they are racing or not, the nsx is more track prepped and has more power..

Kento

LOL, of course a better setup car is going to be faster. But on the other hand, I've been to way too many HPDEs where NSXs are nothing more than rolling chicanes...

rx7n3wb

why must you try to come up with excuses for the rx7.. it is wat it is.

darkphantom

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Whoever Was The Driver For The Nsx Didnt Know How To Drive!

CrispyRX7

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I'm gonna jump in here
Some observations from someone (me) who's done a fair number of HPDEs. And instructed quite a few also in any variety of cars from Civics to Vipers, from Z06's to S2000's, Supras to Mustangs, and more FDs than I care to count.
I can say this:

1) The FD looks pretty much stock. No gauges, stock looking interior, etc.. Bench racers may chime in that stock for stock the FD and the NSX are fairly comperable in performance so in a straight line the FD is NOT going to catch the NSX. The NSX was what the Mazda engineers after all used as a benchmark when developing the FD so many years ago.

2) The FD is on street tires - I've driven a stock FD on street tires on the track (a friends) and a modifed FD on R-compound rubber (mine) and the FD in this clip is DEFINITELY on street tires. The NSX is a big question. Even so the FD is NOT going to significnatly *gain* on the NSX due to tire choice if the drivers abilities are equal.

And then there is the driving:

3) The FD driver is certainly giving it his all. Tire howl, and the degree of correction for oversteer indicates he is pushing the car decently. However, oversteer and correction through a corner is NOT the fastest way through. Each time he has to correct he looses ground to the NSX.

4) The NSX was a faster car. In HPDEs the faster car is always given the pass - VOLUNTARILY. It does not appear to be a race given the lack of safety gear for the driver (he does have a helmet but I don't think that is a driving suit he's wearing) and since this was not a race it would be customary for the FD to let the NSX by.

5) The NSX appears to be faster for any number of protential reasons. The NSX has nice smooth corners with good exit speed. No apparent driving corrections from the NSX. And since exit speed dictates top speed at the end of the straight the NSX having the faster exit speed appears to, make that WILL, pull on the FD.

6) At the risk of stating the obvious, note that racing interval are NOT dicated by distance but by time. That is why it looks like the NSX is pulling the FD on the straights but yet the FD closes up the distance at the corners. Time is the interval not the distance.

7) To me the NSX is not appreciably faster (as a car) than the FD. In fact when the FD doesn't have to slow to correct oversteer in a corner the FD seems quite adept at staying with the NSX. And I'd submit that if the FD is on street tires and NSX is on more track worthy tires even more credit should be given to the FD even if in this situation the NSX was faster.

It is however what it is. Is it the NSX driver that is faster or is it the NSX that is faster then the FD. I'd hang my hat on the former but with the unkowns about the cars it is most likely a combination of both.

As to the thread title about an FD getting it's a** handed to it, I believe the thread author is speaking out of ignorance and not out of knowledge.

FWIW,
Crispy

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

right, and mod for mod or stock for stock the nsx is NO match for an FD on a road course. I have seen it time and again. NSXs are beautiful cars, but they aren't exactly track monsters, even s/c'ed.....

GoodfellaFD3S

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That is a recurring theme with this guy. I have come to expect that when I click on a threaded started by ulost2my7.......

TRBOWN3Z

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

and here we go again with assumptions..

in no way did i make this thread with that thought in mind..

i not too familiar with road courses and cars capable of what etc etc..i saw the vid, saw that the fd was getting his *** kicked in the race (or so it seems in the vid) and posted that the nsx beat him..

why are you guys hating on me soo damn much? jesus christ you people need to grow up..

so quick to talk down someone without even knowing anything..

im not gonna get into this whole internet/real life thing again with you rich cause its not like that i explained over and over again..

i really dont see how you guys can judge people just buy a user name on a car forum..

poss

iTrader: (5)

You guys are both from Jersey....why don't you just meet up, fight, and be done with it.

1QWIK7

iTrader: (33)

no because its not like that, i respect rich..im just not understanding why he would judge the way i post and think i act like that in real life..i mean he already saw me at the meet, im really shy..i like to kidd around here cause well thats what the internet is for, its like leeway to act a way you dont normally act in real life..

i mean i posted this thread with some humor behind it, then all of a sudden i get hammered by everyone..why? i dont know..

Mazda99Nikon

Enough with the good hearted bantering. Thanks for calling this vid to our attention. It is always interesting to see any good track vids of our car, no matter the outcome. You can always watch the driver's inputs and results and learn something from them.

Based on my experience, the NSX driver is driving a little better angle into the corners. In the straights, the RX-7 appears to catch up or at least stay even because he's able to plunge a little deeper into the corner, probably due to weight/brake advantage, but his apex is wrong in several corners, at least in my opinion. The RX-7 driver does appear to let it hang out a few times on the exits and that costs him tenths of a second that might have put him even with the NSX. Something else that struck me is the RX-7 driver appears to make a quick shift from third into fourth, not fully developing the boost advantage he'd see from the second turbo coming on line with tons of horse power. Or am I just halucinating?

Anyway, thanks for the vid.

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

I'm a lover, not a fighter

ringsixty

After looking @ the Vid. I really don't think this was a race between the 2 cars.
Looks more like "rent a ride @ the race track".
The driver of the Rx7 was just for filling a dream.

rx7n3wb

your also a biased fool but thats ok, i love the fd too.

CrispyRX7

iTrader: (139)

First off...no hate from me. Just trying to help you understand a bit more what it is you are seeing from perhaps someone whose seen a bit more track time than yourself...perhaps.

Before getting your undies in a bind, just listen and maybe learn something. No need to get defensive. 'Twas not the intent of my post.

"you people need to grow up." - deliberately inflamatory stated out of frustration?

"so quick to talk down someone without even knowing anything." Huh?

As for me I'm assuming your beef is with Rich. If so no harm no foul.

If you do beleive "we" are attacking your thread then I think the issue was with the way you titled the thread. At least from my perspective (and others apparently). It is of course your right to call it whatever you want. Titles that sensationalize the content are obviously going to get more hits. However when the title is most likely factually incorrect well one might come to expect some critical feedback, no?

Regards,
Crispy