VP introduces two new fuels.
08-19-07, 10:50 AM
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VP introduces two new fuels.
VP recently introduced two new fuels that should make the rotary very happy.
Q16- Is their newest oxygenated fuel.
SAN ANTONIO, Texas -- VP Racing Fuels, world leader in racing fuels and other performance products, today introduced Q16, its newest fuel targeted at racers on a budget. “Q16 will provide exceptional performance in any drag racing or circle track application where there are no fuel rule restrictions,” said Steve Burns, VP’s President and CEO. “Q16 compares favorably with our popular C16 racing fuel, and in most applications will make a better choice.”
“Q16 is highly oxygenated, which, for bracket racers, will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability. Due to its high oxygenation, performance will be more consistent and won’t vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. The oxygenation requires a 6% increase in fuel flow, which will contribute to making 3-5% more power as well as effectively increase Q16’s octane by 6-8 numbers over its standard ASTM rating, providing better protection against detonation.”
“Q16 provides cheap horsepower—30-50 Hp increases on a 1000-1400 Hp engine. In a 1200 Hp dragster in the 1/8 mile, we changed 3 or 4 jets and saw gains of .03-.04 in ET and a 1-2 mph increase,” Burns added. “Racers will spend at least $6 per gallon on the cheapest race gas, so if Q16 costs about $5 more per gallon, they’ll spend less than $5 per pass to substantially improve their ET. In the grand scheme of things, that’s meaningless. There aren’t many performance parts that offer a .03-.04 improvement in 1/8 mile ET for under $5.”
“We’ve been doing lots of work with the motorcycle industry—Factory Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki—designing fuels to fit their new engines and technology,” Burns continued. “Q16 combines the latest technology from these factory motorcycle fuels with technology involving oxygenates that we’ve developed for the European market.”
“Q16 is recommended for any drag racing or circle track application—naturally aspirated or nitrous. Racers who currently run C16 but aren’t subject to fuel rule restrictions should consider trying this fuel. Given that it‘s priced the same as C16 and less than our NO2 fuel, but will outperform both (and any competitive fuel manufacturer’s fuel), Q16 is the best gas you can use in drag racing if you’re not bound by any fuel rules,” Burns concluded.
Technical questions on application and use of Q16 can be directed to the VP Racing Fuels Technical Department at 812-878-2025 or tech@vpracingfuels.com. Questions regarding purchase and delivery of Q16 can be directed to the appropriate VP regional distribution center, each of which is listed with contact information on VP’s website – vpracingfuels.com.
M5-I can't find much info on the M5 but it is M3 methanol with 5% nitromethane added. I will post up the specs on it as they are available to the public.
Q16- Is their newest oxygenated fuel.
SAN ANTONIO, Texas -- VP Racing Fuels, world leader in racing fuels and other performance products, today introduced Q16, its newest fuel targeted at racers on a budget. “Q16 will provide exceptional performance in any drag racing or circle track application where there are no fuel rule restrictions,” said Steve Burns, VP’s President and CEO. “Q16 compares favorably with our popular C16 racing fuel, and in most applications will make a better choice.”
“Q16 is highly oxygenated, which, for bracket racers, will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability. Due to its high oxygenation, performance will be more consistent and won’t vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. The oxygenation requires a 6% increase in fuel flow, which will contribute to making 3-5% more power as well as effectively increase Q16’s octane by 6-8 numbers over its standard ASTM rating, providing better protection against detonation.”
“Q16 provides cheap horsepower—30-50 Hp increases on a 1000-1400 Hp engine. In a 1200 Hp dragster in the 1/8 mile, we changed 3 or 4 jets and saw gains of .03-.04 in ET and a 1-2 mph increase,” Burns added. “Racers will spend at least $6 per gallon on the cheapest race gas, so if Q16 costs about $5 more per gallon, they’ll spend less than $5 per pass to substantially improve their ET. In the grand scheme of things, that’s meaningless. There aren’t many performance parts that offer a .03-.04 improvement in 1/8 mile ET for under $5.”
“We’ve been doing lots of work with the motorcycle industry—Factory Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki—designing fuels to fit their new engines and technology,” Burns continued. “Q16 combines the latest technology from these factory motorcycle fuels with technology involving oxygenates that we’ve developed for the European market.”
“Q16 is recommended for any drag racing or circle track application—naturally aspirated or nitrous. Racers who currently run C16 but aren’t subject to fuel rule restrictions should consider trying this fuel. Given that it‘s priced the same as C16 and less than our NO2 fuel, but will outperform both (and any competitive fuel manufacturer’s fuel), Q16 is the best gas you can use in drag racing if you’re not bound by any fuel rules,” Burns concluded.
Technical questions on application and use of Q16 can be directed to the VP Racing Fuels Technical Department at 812-878-2025 or tech@vpracingfuels.com. Questions regarding purchase and delivery of Q16 can be directed to the appropriate VP regional distribution center, each of which is listed with contact information on VP’s website – vpracingfuels.com.
M5-I can't find much info on the M5 but it is M3 methanol with 5% nitromethane added. I will post up the specs on it as they are available to the public.
08-20-07, 02:22 AM
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I'll bet I know who is responsible for all these new fuels comming out from VP as of late. Ever since this person jumped ship VP have been introducing the same fuels the other brand produces that were developed by this certain person. Those fuels were racers best kept secret for years. M3 methanol came from the developments of that certain individual. This certain individual has the magic touch for blending fuels that make more power in most applications and they will pass the fuel test also. M3 is proof of that. If you to ever took a whip of that **** it's obvious to any experienced N...O M......E
tuner what's in it but it's legal and pass the test. 
Just my 5c worth. Might just be spreading rumors but if you do some research you'll figure out who this individual is and what he did for the other fuel brand.
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08-20-07, 02:37 AM
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I've spoken to other tuners about their experiences with the same fuels. From what I've gathered it's application dependant.
For me on one application we were able to run it much leaner with more ignition advance than what was done with C-16 in this combination.
Curious about your findings.
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08-20-07, 11:39 AM
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What were the differences in tune up with 'import' say vs 'c16'?
I've spoken to other tuners about their experiences with the same fuels. From what I've gathered it's application dependant.
For me on one application we were able to run it much leaner with more ignition advance than what was done with C-16 in this combination.
Curious about your findings.
I've spoken to other tuners about their experiences with the same fuels. From what I've gathered it's application dependant.
For me on one application we were able to run it much leaner with more ignition advance than what was done with C-16 in this combination.
Curious about your findings.
From whaty i have heard most people dont like import because it is too high of an octane. They say it is very hard to tune off boost and keep from loading up. I would be curious to see how it worked on a higher compression turbo motor though. It seems like once you get to that level you would be wasting time not going with methanol.
I don't know who the mystery tuner Chris mentioned is but I do know Warren Jhonson has done a lot of research for VP in the past and is actually who did the origonal testing for C16. His agreement was that he would do all VPs testing is they provided him with all the fuel and he had exclusive rights for that fuel during the next season. I am learning a lot about fuel lately and i am going to try and run Q16 after i use up all the C16 i have left. I will let everyone know how it turns out.
Last edited by 13B-RX3; 08-20-07 at 11:50 AM.
08-20-07, 05:47 PM
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08-20-07, 07:05 PM
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****, i spoke too soon. I called my distributor and he said that there is a difference in price but it is marginal. He says that the gains claimed by by VP for both Q16 and import are both 5% over C16 but the import is not an oxygenated fuel. He is going to double check on the price and let me know. He is also going to try and get some more in depth specs on Q16 and Import than what they post on their site.
08-20-07, 09:58 PM
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How can too high of an Octane be bad? I have been running TT114 Leaded....should be I be running something else with a Half bridge, dual Supra pumps, and GT35/40
08-21-07, 09:14 AM
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I allready knew about the M-5 but not the Q16.
I'll bet I know who is responsible for all these new fuels comming out from VP as of late. Ever since this person jumped ship VP have been introducing the same fuels the other brand produces that were developed by this certain person. Those fuels were racers best kept secret for years. M3 methanol came from the developments of that certain individual. This certain individual has the magic touch for blending fuels that make more power in most applications and they will pass the fuel test also. M3 is proof of that. If you to ever took a whip of that **** it's obvious to any experienced N...O M......E tuner what's in it but it's legal and pass the test.
Just my 5c worth. Might just be spreading rumors but if you do some research you'll figure out who this individual is and what he did for the other fuel brand.
I'll bet I know who is responsible for all these new fuels comming out from VP as of late. Ever since this person jumped ship VP have been introducing the same fuels the other brand produces that were developed by this certain person. Those fuels were racers best kept secret for years. M3 methanol came from the developments of that certain individual. This certain individual has the magic touch for blending fuels that make more power in most applications and they will pass the fuel test also. M3 is proof of that. If you to ever took a whip of that **** it's obvious to any experienced N...O M......E
tuner what's in it but it's legal and pass the test. Just my 5c worth. Might just be spreading rumors but if you do some research you'll figure out who this individual is and what he did for the other fuel brand.
08-21-07, 04:41 PM
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If you go to VP's website and search it's easy to see who I'm speaking about and where he came from. They never tried to hide the facts and it's stated in one of their press releases. On the other hand I'm the one instigating the point that it's highly strange that some of the latest fuel mixtures released from VP mimic the products offered from the same company that a certain gentleman worked for before especially when I and many in the buisness have personal experience in the use of both products.
08-21-07, 05:20 PM
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Anyone try VP C113?
I usually use C12, 108 octane for 41.50$ a 5 gallon can. The counter person where I get the fuel from suggested I try the new C113, same price, same octane but will give a 2% increase in power.
chuck
I usually use C12, 108 octane for 41.50$ a 5 gallon can. The counter person where I get the fuel from suggested I try the new C113, same price, same octane but will give a 2% increase in power.
chuck
08-22-07, 05:35 AM
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http://www.vpracingfuels.com/article...URL=1273611872
This success in racing led the family to found 'Powermist Racing Products' in 1986, where 'Steve' served as owner and manager for 14 years, as well as 'master blender' of race fuels for 5 years. In 1994, he spent a 7-month sabbatical doing extensive research on race fuels and applications, after which he took over Powermist’s distribution center operations in New England. In 2000, Fales left Powermist to spend one year in technical sales with Land & Sea Dynomometers, Inc., after which he joined New England Race Fuels in 2001 as Technical/Sales Representative. “Bringing Steve to VP allows us to leverage his expertise to help customers determine the best racing fuel for their applications,” said Jim Kelly, VP’s Regional Manager for VP’s Atlantic Region. “Like many of his colleagues here at VP, Steve is a racer. So he knows the sport and the business of racing and will be a real asset. ''He has a knack for taking a fuel with which an engine builder has seemingly maxed out the power, and squeezing still more power out of it.” “I’m very excited to be coming on board with VP Racing,” exclaimed Fales. “In testing fuels over the years, I’ve found VP routinely makes more power not just on the dyno, but on the track where it really counts. I’m glad to join a company with a reputation for manufacturing the best racing fuels in the industry, where its wide array of application-oriented fuels will make my job of helping engine builders and racers that much easier. VP’s constant innovation also assures we’ll be able to keep our customers on the leading edge.”
This success in racing led the family to found 'Powermist Racing Products' in 1986, where 'Steve' served as owner and manager for 14 years, as well as 'master blender' of race fuels for 5 years. In 1994, he spent a 7-month sabbatical doing extensive research on race fuels and applications, after which he took over Powermist’s distribution center operations in New England. In 2000, Fales left Powermist to spend one year in technical sales with Land & Sea Dynomometers, Inc., after which he joined New England Race Fuels in 2001 as Technical/Sales Representative. “Bringing Steve to VP allows us to leverage his expertise to help customers determine the best racing fuel for their applications,” said Jim Kelly, VP’s Regional Manager for VP’s Atlantic Region. “Like many of his colleagues here at VP, Steve is a racer. So he knows the sport and the business of racing and will be a real asset. ''He has a knack for taking a fuel with which an engine builder has seemingly maxed out the power, and squeezing still more power out of it.” “I’m very excited to be coming on board with VP Racing,” exclaimed Fales. “In testing fuels over the years, I’ve found VP routinely makes more power not just on the dyno, but on the track where it really counts. I’m glad to join a company with a reputation for manufacturing the best racing fuels in the industry, where its wide array of application-oriented fuels will make my job of helping engine builders and racers that much easier. VP’s constant innovation also assures we’ll be able to keep our customers on the leading edge.”
08-22-07, 09:11 AM
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I'm still one shitty tuner chris, working on it. What we did was kept going up in boost and ignition and more ignition across the board with alch injection.
04-16-08, 02:49 AM
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If you are running C16 and have a tune of say 11.5, by just changing to Q16, does anyone know if the AF ratios are going to change and in which direction. I assume its going to be leaner with more oxygen in the fuel but curious to see by how much.
Thanks,
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