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Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Busted7 (Post 8449877)
Neutral drop FTW!:rlaugh: :nono:

It used to work in Gramps Roadmaster, I don't see why it wouldn't work with a C4 :lol:

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 01:23 PM

some pics of my c4 junk
 
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some pics for ya, and the rotaryshack master mechanic at work

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 01:27 PM

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i forgot a pic of the shifter, here ya go
p.s. if you guys find my cat call me! lol

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 01:40 PM

thanks for the pictures, kinda thought it was weird that you never posted pictures after we asked.......

seriously, your repetitive replies about "race lost" aren't needed.

we know the obvious, and some of us don't want to go through the same old hassle of breaking 5 speed after 5 speed just to say, we like the challenge of shifting....

same with the guys who break rearends left and right, i beleive in changing to parts that are damn bear bulletproof......... whether it be 9 inch or 8.8 . What matters to me is consistancy and reliability.

did you not see the 1st gen c4, he had his setup perfectly. it left straight off the yellow bulb, no waiting....

the guy that went 9.1 @ 147

rotaryB-2000 08-08-08 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by tinmann55 (Post 8081144)
Thinking of running a ford c4 auto in a gslse with a single turbo rew motor for drag racing. I think i need a 20b bell housing but not sure. I also have a gxl 2nd gen auto bellhousing i saved , will it work?

just my opion but the autos are not efective trannies on the 1350..
The aussies played with them for years before they realized their rivals PR and the lencos, liberties, g-force and jehricos were laying down the big 60ft, 330th and 8th miles...

to make it simple the 1350 is really only 1/8 mile....!!!

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by rotaryB-2000 (Post 8450305)
just my opion but the autos are not efective trannies on the 1350..
The aussies played with them for years before they realized their rivals PR and the lencos, liberties, g-force and jehricos were laying down the big 60ft, 330th and 8th miles...

to make it simple the 1350 is really only 1/8 mile....!!!

you hit the nail on the head my friend :(

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 02:17 PM

ChookRX from AUS runs 1.20 short times. Could nail it on the transbrake on 1st yellow & would leave the line at
approx 6000rpm & 18psi boost , 1.6 seconds to get on full boost!!!! max. Some would say that's decent.

tinmann55 08-08-08 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by rotaryB-2000 (Post 8450305)
just my opion but the autos are not efective trannies on the 1350..
The aussies played with them for years before they realized their rivals PR and the lencos, liberties, g-force and jehricos were laying down the big 60ft, 330th and 8th miles...

to make it simple the 1350 is really only 1/8 mile....!!!

I have stayed out of this thread but have been enjoying the post and comments. But i have to put my 2cents in on this comment. I have to agree with War Hammer on what he said. I have watched the manual guys in my area running rotarys and gforce transmissions tearing up rearends , gears ,and even the Gforce itself so many times this summer i am even more determined to build a reliable ,consistent automatic for my FB all motor car. But i am going with the Jatco 3spd auto instead of the C4.I have contacted Paul O'neill in aus (Keas trannsmissions)and he has agreed to transbrake my valvebody and also build my converter. The rest of the build will be done here under his direction. Sure its going to cost me alot, probably around $3500. But the way i look at it thats money well spent considering i wont be breaking something constantly and thats cheap money compared to a five to 8 grand on a lenco g-force jerico. Its all about consistent ,reliable, runs day in day out.:icon_tup:

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 02:56 PM

and how many people do you see driving around on the streets with their LOUD g-force, lenco etc. etc. ?

I need a trans that's consistent, reliable, streetable and can put the car on the bumper at will.

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 8450492)
and how many people do you see driving around on the streets with their LOUD g-force, lenco etc. etc. ?

I need a trans that's consistent, reliable, streetable and can put the car on the bumper at will.

try driving around your automatic with your 5,000 or 6,000 stall converter on the street and watch what happens, lol not happenening!!
watch your trans oil temp guage go up 20 degrees every 2 blocks...
and who the fuck can hear a tranny over the rotary motor!!
your living in dreamland buddy

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 8449873)
I'd like to see some videos of you going through gears. Let me know.

I am second on this , I inquired on his car and set up but he ignored the fact !

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450648)
try driving around your automatic with your 5,000 or 6,000 stall converter on the street and watch what happens, lol not happenening!!

Plenty of people do it all the time without issues. With the right pan, cooler or coolers.......... temp won't be a problem.


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450648)
and who the fuck can hear a tranny over the rotary motor!!

Uh, me and everyone else?

rotaryB-2000 08-08-08 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 8450382)
ChookRX from AUS runs 1.20 short times. Could nail it on the transbrake on 1st yellow & would leave the line at
approx 6000rpm & 18psi boost , 1.6 seconds to get on full boost!!!! max. Some would say that's decent.

Sorry but 1.20 in todays rotary drag racing scene is child's play or 60foot times for cars running 26x8.5 slicks.....

Just a little history but Bam-bam mazda miata ran 1.0 in the 60ft years ago with 24x10 tires using a G-force tranny... oh and with a 13B 4port on nitrous.

This is why the Ricans are eating up the dragstrips with the rotary engine.

Low performance out of Florida used to run an automatic, he was consistent but
no match for the 5speed cars..this was at the pan-ams in the late 90's

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8449883)
did you read what i posted? i never mentioned reaction time.. i stated that these auto cars have a piss poor launch, because they cant go when the light goes green because they have to go when the car is ready.. the first 1/2 of the track is the most important part of the race ..if you cant leave out of the gate then go home!!(this is very important in competition)
after watching thse videos im pulling out my c4 setup and selling it!
im getting a jerico

I actually did read it thats why I commented , I thought a lauch consited to reaction time. oh by the way if you pay some close attention to the vids on some of them they are running bracket .

Goodluck with the jerico and have fun working on it !

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 8450674)
Plenty of people do it all the time without issues. With the right pan, cooler or coolers.......... temp won't be a problem.

now your talking from your ass.. loose converter = heat pump = hot trans temps= burned up tranny.. the trand temps clim so quickly you cant believe your eyes.. trust me, im not an internet mechanic
i have the deep aluminum pan along with a ice water cooled tranny cooler and im still worried about burnin the tranny down in a 1/4 mile run.. i know lots of guys that have burned the trannys up, with less stall than 5,000 .. and those are pro built trannys by reputable shops

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450250)
some pics for ya, and the rotaryshack master mechanic at work

you sure are right along with that engine ,turbo manifold and the rest ! How did you acomplish 680rwho with that engine set up? fill me in cause if you did 680hp :scratch: mine must make aroud 1300+ hp:lol:

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by rotaryB-2000 (Post 8450676)
Sorry but 1.20 in todays rotary drag racing scene is child's play or 60foot times for cars running 26x8.5 slicks.....

Just a little history but Bam-bam mazda miata ran 1.0 in the 60ft years ago with 24x10 tires using a G-force tranny... oh and with a 13B 4port on nitrous.

This is why the Ricans are eating up the dragstrips with the rotary engine.

Low performance out of Florida used to run an automatic, he was consistent but
no match for the 5speed cars..this was at the pan-ams in the late 90's

Nobody is saying that a auto is better than a G-Force, etc etc.

We're saying that a auto is a good option for people wanting a upgrade from the stock 5 speed. Most people here can't get out of the 1.50's so most of us would be thrilled with 1.20's, 1.30's or even 1.40's.

If I were building a racecar that I planned to campaign, I would use a high dollar G-force etc. But, for what I do................. a auto seems like a good choice.

Hell, even if I have to sit at the light for a few seconds while the car loads up. I'll still freight train those local mofos :lol: So it's all good ! :) :hahaha:

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450697)
now your talking from your ass.. loose converter = heat pump = hot trans temps= burned up tranny.. the trand temps clim so quickly you cant believe your eyes.. trust me, im not an internet mechanic
i have the deep aluminum pan along with a ice water cooled tranny cooler and im still worried about burnin the tranny down in a 1/4 mile run.. i know lots of guys that have burned the trannys up, with less stall than 5,000 .. and those are pro built trannys by reputable shops

I bet it is with that advance auto parts brand oil you use .

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by 13BT_Starlet (Post 8450710)
you sure are right along with that engine ,turbo manifold and the rest ! How did you acomplish 680rwho with that engine set up? fill me in cause if you did 680hp :scratch: mine must make aroud 1300+ hp:lol:

actually it made 730rwhp at the last dyno session over 6 years ago..
why dont you put your money where your mouth is.. how much you wanna bet? ill match whatever you put up :scratch:

Viking War Hammer 08-08-08 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450697)
now your talking from your ass.. loose converter = heat pump = hot trans temps= burned up tranny.. the trand temps clim so quickly you cant believe your eyes.. trust me, im not an internet mechanic
i have the deep aluminum pan along with a ice water cooled tranny cooler and im still worried about burnin the tranny down in a 1/4 mile run.. i know lots of guys that have burned the trannys up, with less stall than 5,000 .. and those are pro built trannys by reputable shops

and I "KNOW" friends who run their cars with 5500 stalls on the street. Never gets above 200, fluid isn't dark and they romp the shit out of their cars on a weekly basis. These cars are brought out every weekend........ ON THE STREET.


With so much knowledge and even a full blown setup, I'd atleast think you would know how these cars would react at the light before seeing internet videos.

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer (Post 8450720)
Nobody is saying that a auto is better than a G-Force, etc etc.

We're saying that a auto is a good option for people wanting a upgrade from the stock 5 speed. Most people here can't get out of the 1.50's so most of us would be thrilled with 1.20's, 1.30's or even 1.40's.

If I were building a racecar that I planned to campaign, I would use a high dollar G-force etc. But, for what I do................. a auto seems like a good choice.

Hell, even if I have to sit at the light for a few seconds while the car loads up. I'll still freight train those local mofos :lol: So it's all good ! :) :hahaha:

I have the transbrake so I am good , I don't have to wait for the converter to build up . my tanny has the PA transbrake it would be just like leaving on a manual .

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by 13BT_Starlet (Post 8450725)
I bet it is with that advance auto parts brand oil you use .

i guess you dont now much either.. its a custom blend, the tranny builder manufactures his own oil.. he also warrantys the tranny once if you melt it down..

680RWHP12A 08-08-08 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by 13BT_Starlet (Post 8450742)
I have the transbrake so I am good , I don't have to wait for the converter to build up . my tanny has the PA transbrake it would be just like leaving on a manual .

the transbrake has nothing to do with the converter, LOL

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450729)
actually it made 730rwhp at the last dyno session over 6 years ago..
why dont you put your money where your mouth is.. how much you wanna bet? ill match whatever you put up :scratch:

I will be glad too , when it done you will be the first one to know . I'll be glad to have you as my test dummy ! MONEY is not a problem for me I could lone you some but interest will be a little high and require collateral

13BT_Starlet 08-08-08 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by 680RWHP12A (Post 8450745)
i guess you dont now much either.. its a custom blend, the tranny builder manufactures his own oil.. he also warrantys the tranny once if you melt it down..

Thats your answer to your high oil temp , the custom blend .


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